no limit appreciation thread

[jwb]

**** tbe haters. You a no limit soldier?

[OccultHawk]

[OccultHawk]

On the real, this thread deserves serious conversation. This label, these artists, including Mia X were very groundbreaking artistically, financially, and politically. The combination of nihilism, existentialism, realism - I believe that as the decades pass these records will be remembered right alongside literature like No Longer Human and Nausea and possibly as superior when considered in a historical context of how and when and where these artists lived.

[jwb]

Respect. Its trendy to hate on **** like no limit and cash money cause it's associated with rap becoming more commercialized and unapologetically materialistic but that's just the culmination/logical conclusion of so many forces that have always pointed in a particular direction from day 1. Stemming from the material conditions in the hood and the grind or die mentality it produces.

It's interesting to me to think of how rap music is the perfect reflection of the dark underbelly of modern life under western capitalism. How it started out as a gritty alternative to disco in NYC... Disco itself being a monument to the kind of pure hedonism that defines our culture which probably reached it's apex around the 70's and 80's when disco was still relevant, cocaine was a novelty, hip hop was just a hood variety of dance music and Americans still thought the dream was alive.

Its not surprising that as the genre adopted a more aggressive stance as cocaine turned to crack and gang violence dominated the urban centers of every major metro area.

And it's also not surprising that when all that gang banging and King pinning climaxed with the deaths of biggie and pac and the east coast west coast beef... Nobody noticed the elephant in the room which was that the south was about to rise up and dominate the genre for the foreseeable future.

Nobody took the south seriously in the 90s.

"Back when new York niggas was calling southern rappers lame, and then jacking our slang" - jay electronica - exhibit c

Outkast got booed when they won an award cause the award show was in NY and all non east coast rappers were getting booed as if they were west coast.

Plus there has traditionally been more of an affinity between the west coast and the south in hip hop. NY always thought it was the center of the universe and their sound, style and aesthetic appealed particularly to the bleak yet busy concrete jungle that NY is.

Cali is more spread out. More beautiful yet somewhat distorted. Isolated. Alienated. The southern cities are similar in this regard.

Is it a coincidence that 2pac got accused of biting Scarface's style and then master p got accused of biting 2pac? That scarface lived in Houston, pac lived in Oakland, and master p lived in Richmond Cali and new Orleans? Is it hard to notice the influence of west coast rap on late 90s rap from new Orleans, starting with no limit but leading on to the cash money dynasty which is still relevant in the rap world to this day?

I dunno.. could be coincidence. I be could be a schizo rambling to himself about nothing at all. Who knows.

[OccultHawk]

Honestly there needs to be more documentation of all this stuff

[OccultHawk]

NY always thought it was the center of the universe and their sound, style and aesthetic appealed particularly to the bleak yet busy concrete jungle that NY is.

Cali is more spread out. More beautiful yet somewhat distorted. Isolated. Alienated. The southern cities are similar in this regard

When crime was really peaking out and NY had 7 murders a day on average and Times Square was filthy and NY was filled with razor wire all over half of Brooklyn and the Bronx it still wasn’t the same kind of horror navigating other high crime cities was. For one, nobody really REALLY stands out anywhere in NYC. It’s always been crawling with weirdos being somewhere they really don’t need to be. But in Atlanta, having to walk through bad areas, and not just for the sore thumb looking dumbass white kid, but for anyone, it’s so ****ing desolate - it feels like having a gun pointed at you all the ****ing time, or at least it used to, and then to imagine LA back then - where **** was so brutally territorial- I can’t even imagine. I’m still convinced that psychopaths came from all over America just to kill some random person in LA as a type of tourism because the police didn’t even bother trying to solve murders back then.

And don’t even get me started on the missing and murdered children **** that was going on when I was growing up in Atlanta. That was psychopathic white power police **** for sure. Call me MERIT all you want but that **** was such a ****ing coverup and the Atlanta PD was ****ing insane back then.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Honestly there needs to be more documentation of all this stuff

"I know he innocent"

Call me a racist or whatever but I never buy that **** coming from a friend or better yet a cellmate of the accused

I grew up in haitian gang territory in south fl and watched a certain haitian gang go around murdering people every week and then when the indictments came down they wanted to claim it's just a rap group and even people I knew and knew for years who had family/friends connected would look me in the face and say it's all just a witch hunt, top 6 is just a rap group.



Its like really who the **** do you think I'm about to run and tell? Don't bull**** a bull****ter.


But back to the topic at hand...

[jwb]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

When crime was really peaking out and NY had 7 murders a day on average and Times Square was filthy and NY was filled with razor wire all over half of Brooklyn and the Bronx it still wasn’t the same kind of horror navigating other high crime cities was. For one, nobody really REALLY stands out anywhere in NYC. It’s always been crawling with weirdos being somewhere they really don’t need to be. But in Atlanta, having to walk through bad areas, and not just for the sore thumb looking dumbass white kid, but for anyone, it’s so ****ing desolate - it feels like having a gun pointed at you all the ****ing time, or at least it used to, and then to imagine LA back then - where **** was so brutally territorial- I can’t even imagine. I’m still convinced that psychopaths came from all over America just to kill some random person in LA as a type of tourism because the police didn’t even bother trying to solve murders back then.

And don’t even get me started on the missing and murdered children **** that was going on when I was growing up in Atlanta. That was psychopathic white power police **** for sure. Call me MERIT all you want but that **** was such a ****ing coverup and the Atlanta PD was ****ing insane back then.

I dunno... When it was 2000 murders a year in ny I'd say that is comparable to modern day chicago. Yeah it's a big city but those murders are mostly concentrated in certain neighborhoods.

[Mindy]

I will explore this jwb, catching good music roc nation vibe tonight

[Norg]

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