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Old 01-24-2021, 09:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I dunno... When it was 2000 murders a year in ny I'd say that is comparable to modern day chicago. Yeah it's a big city but those murders are mostly concentrated in certain neighborhoods.
But in NYC there’s always a subway station just around the way. In Atlanta there wasn’t any refuge anywhere.

Also, crime was typically business in NY. That’s the way it felt to me, anyway.

Present day Chicago man I don’t even know at all. Isn’t it mostly snowballing retaliation madness? It’s so crazy the numbers they put up there.
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Old 01-24-2021, 09:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
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But in NYC there’s always a subway station just around the way. In Atlanta there wasn’t any refuge anywhere.

Also, crime was typically business in NY. That’s the way it felt to me, anyway.

Present day Chicago man I don’t even know at all. Isn’t it mostly snowballing retaliation madness? It’s so crazy the numbers they put up there.
that's gang violence in general. If you watch the gangland episode i posted on the gang from my high school it's the same ****. One person gets shot and then it snowballs into retaliation after retaliation.

Chicago is just in a bad place rn cause they tore down the housing projects and the gang territories got all ****ed up as a result.
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Chicago is just in a bad place rn cause they tore down the housing projects and the gang territories got all ****ed up as a result.
I didn’t know that. That makes sense.
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I didn’t know that. That makes sense.
I mean it's an oversimplification tbh.. Chicago was violent before that but once they tore down Cabrini Green and some of the other large housing projects, in an effort to fight crime of all things, the residents got dispersed over a larger area and the gang territories got all mixed up which lead to more fighting over territory which obviously lead to the cycle of retribution you referred to... Its like a murder feedback loop.

The reason the towers were tore down in the first place was because of all the gang activity. I remember seeing a video on YouTube years ago about snipers in Chicago high rises. Dude would post up with a sniper rifle in an abandoned apt and just wait for the anyone from the wrong set to walk through the court yard.
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Old 01-25-2021, 09:01 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Yeah. Hurricanes do that too when a bunch of people get displaced.

It reminds me of here they closed a couple of “failing” schools as if it was the actual building causing the problem. They literally boarded up two school buildings. So they put the same kids in a now overcrowded different buildings, shuffle the same crappy teachers around, build these cheap ass “portables” that mold up and leak, leave the old buildings up as community eyesores.

One high school even has this psychotic design where if you’re in some classrooms you can’t get to the restrooms without walking through other classrooms. Like they thought it was modern or made sense somehow not to have every room have a door that opens to the hallway. The classes are constantly being interrupted and new students and staff can’t figure where the **** the classrooms are. And don’t ask me how this **** passed muster with fire marshal.

I feel like people read this **** and think Hawk has gotta be making this **** up but I swear to god.
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Please tell me they bulldozed those schools and put up condos.
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Please tell me they bulldozed those schools and put up condos.
Not yet but ultimately that’s always the plan. Urban development has always been synonymous with pricing out the poor.
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