Is Tupac Corny?

~~jwb~~ · 09-18-2019, 08:40 PM

It's not that arbitrary.

In terms of painting, it's visual the same way music is audio. You shouldn't need an explanation for why a song is good to like it. Either it sounds good or it doesn't. Same way you shouldn't need an explanation for why a painting is actually brilliant.

It's a visual medium. If the visual doesn't capture it then the painting failed do what it's supposed to.

**Frownland** · 09-18-2019, 08:42 PM

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It's not that arbitrary.

It is entirely arbitrary but thanks for your input.

Also, art ain't a contest so the notion of "failure" is irrelevant to the conversation.

~~jwb~~ · 09-18-2019, 08:45 PM

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It is entirely arbitrary but thanks for your input.

Also, art ain't a contest so the notion of "failure" is irrelevant to the conversation.

I mean is no more arbitrary than any other way if judging art.

**Frownland** · 09-18-2019, 08:47 PM

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I mean is no more arbitrary than any other way if judging art.

My whole point is that standards for art are arbitrary, so yes any method of judging art based on any such standards are arbitrary.

~~jwb~~ · 09-18-2019, 08:50 PM

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My whole point is that standards for art are arbitrary, so yes any method of judging art based on any such standards are arbitrary.

so there's not any way to judge art which isn't arbitrary?

**Frownland** · 09-18-2019, 08:52 PM

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so there's not any way to judge art which isn't arbitrary?

Yep, let it speak for itself as they say.

~~jwb~~ · 09-18-2019, 08:54 PM

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Yep, let it speak for itself as they say.

so then how can you possibly say any piece if art either good or not?

The Batlord · 09-18-2019, 08:54 PM

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so there's not any way to judge art which isn't arbitrary?

The only way to judge art is how you perceive its expression. I agree about the circle triangle thing but I don't agree on the urinal or the squiggly line thing, and that's because I try to take them on a case-by-case basis rather than subjecting them to a rubric.

The Batlord · 09-18-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It's not that arbitrary.

In terms of painting, it's visual the same way music is audio. You shouldn't need an explanation for why a song is good to like it. Either it sounds good or it doesn't. Same way you shouldn't need an explanation for why a painting is actually brilliant.

It's a visual medium. If the visual doesn't capture it then the painting failed do what it's supposed to.

I mean nothing is that simple. The signed urinal isn't anything to look at but as an attack on the art world's entrenched ego it's great. But in that case the context isn't so much an explanation as it is that if you weren't there at the time you wouldn't be aware of how the presentation of the piece was itself the art and so you'd need it explained.

~~jwb~~ · 09-18-2019, 08:49 PM

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I mean nothing is that simple. The signed urinal isn't anything to look at but as an attack on the art world's entrenched ego it's great. But in that case the context isn't so much an explanation as it is that if you weren't there at the time you wouldn't be aware of how the presentation of the piece was itself the art and so you'd need it explained.

call me crazy but a signed urinal just sounds like every urinal I've ever peed in

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's not that arbitrary. In terms of painting, it's visual the same way music is audio. You shouldn't need an explanation for why a song is good to like it. Either it sounds good or it doesn't. Same way you shouldn't need an explanation for why a painting is actually brilliant. It's a visual medium. If the visual doesn't capture it then the painting failed do what it's supposed to.