I don't understand the clarification. He had good dances that went with his music, yes. This still isn't a comment on his influence the actual music. In reality, he was massively influential in the pop world yet the hip hop world largely passed him by, as there were more interesting things happening in the genre at the time.

it's not.

The clarification is the way he used dance music like funk wasn't the same as what other rappers were doing.

The way he did it was a huge influence on the style and sound of pop-rap at the time. Like Vanilla Ice. Who also coincidentally reinvented himself in the legacy of ICP.

It's a piece but songs like **** The World and the whole Thug Life attitude definitely helped mold Eminem as an artist.

He's obviously more influenced by freestyle culture and rappers like Esham, but there's some Pac in there. It's actually probably hard to find a rapper that doesn't have at least a little bit of Pac.

Yeh vanilla ice is not respected at all in hip hop. Even more than Hammer, he's seen as a pop oriented vulture that exploited the rising trend of hip hop to be a pop icon

very true

Jpegmafia

No, people came around on Hammer.

On Ice, you're completely right. You forget that he's also a 1 hit wonder.

Unfortunately Vanilla Ice is also a legend. Maybe a pioneer of what we call today 'meme rap'. Maybe you can credit that to Hammer too, actually.

Maybe.

Edit: Nope, peggy calls himself 2Pac in a song so he at least has a sliver of Pac in there.

Hammer was more than a one hit wonder but his actual influence on rap music is hard to gauge. He definitely mostly made a spash as a pop icon.

How you gonna hate on Vanilla Ice?

I’m just tossing a name out there. I hear Nas all over the place but not really Tupac. Could be my bias and what I listen to but I kind of, maybe incorrectly, suspect Tupac of be far more popular than influential. I’m a little hesitant to go too deep into that opinion because, I forgot what it was, but we were arguing about hip hop one time and it started to get really obvious I was wrong and then I was embarrassed. Do you remember what it was?

Him and biggie are basically there 2 most influential rappers.

They defined the modern bad boy/gangster image that is the default fir most modern, mainstream fans

The thing is it's hard to know who's really influenced by Pac because musically he doesn't differ much from any other gangster rapper he's just the biggest name so he's the most influential of that era.

And the only thing I can remember was something about Denzel Curry not being what you thought he was and saying that you got mad because you take pride in your southern hip hop knowledge.


Not really anymore. The default existed prior to 2Pac because of NWA and Geto Boys. ICP were trying to emulate it off of them and I'm sure the same goes for 2Pac.

But that stereotype kind of got a rock thrown at it after Kanye West who's probably just as, if not more, undeniably influential on the state of hip hop today. The image portrayed in hip hop now is more so influenced by 36 Mafia than 2Pac. Dark, moody southern drug loving depressed kids using Satanic imagery.

Nas?

I don’t really hear it but Nas was a fan.

I think the lineage goes directly from Rakim to Nas. That’s how my ears hear it.

Yep. I went back and reread that and was like wtf? My brain was squirming like a toad lol

Yeah, I wrote it retarded but didn't want to fix it.

We all concluded that he's corny on the first page. It's mostly about the merit of ICP's status as hip hop legends.

And continuing to trigger JWB.

isn't that what Lucem said?

Nah, saying that white people who want to live vicariously through black culture care more about Tupac than actual black people now is triggering JWB.

You only just discovered the Ramones. Go away.

It might not seem that way to you but they had a really big cultural presence.

Fair enough. I guess it comes down to how we define “legends”

Lol

Nah fam, Pac is flame!

C-Murder.

I'd like an option for "Tupac is not corny, but most of his fans today are".

Pac fans are a great bunch compared to Eminem fanboys

Both are better than Neutral Milk Hotel fans. Credit where credit is due.

Haaa. I never got Neutral Milk Hotel. People keep trying to get me to listen.

That's gonna hurt your hipster credibility.

But who cares - Pitchfork won't clue you in to real modern classics like this anyway.

hell no, I know Neutral Milk Hotel has obnoxious fans, but the music is absolutely unassailable
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The problem is, I can't dance to it. And believe me, I've tried. At least I can dance to Pavement.

Pavement is very danceable, that's true, but who needs to dance to NMH if you can cry your eyes out to it

Eh, I don't know. Back when I was an angsty depressed teen, I quite enjoyed NMH. But nowadays, it doesn't hold much appeal for me. If I want sadsack indie ruminations, I'll throw on Talk Talk's Laughing Stock. I'd definitely never claim that my position is that NMH is bad (overrated maybe) - it's just not music I'm crazy about anymore.

If I actually want to feel sadness and nostalgia, I'll throw on something from Beach House...or Arcade Fire...or Low.

fair enough, I don't think I've fully outgrown my angsty depressed teen stage :laughing:

Be comforted by the fact that you are not alone.

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