Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078866)

so there's not any way to judge art which isn't arbitrary?

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078865)

You don't see anything moving about that? Nothing maybe Lovecraftian about it?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2078868)

Yep, let it speak for itself as they say.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078866)

so there's not any way to judge art which isn't arbitrary?

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078869)

No. It looks like random paint scattered. I see interesting patterns but I also see those in ceiling. No sign of an intelligent creator though.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078871)

so then how can you possibly say any piece if art either good or not?

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078869)

No. It looks like random paint scattered. I see interesting patterns but I also see those in ceiling. No sign of an intelligent creator though.

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078870)

ironically (given this thread) the same people who don't get the urinal are the type of people that will tell you rappers aren't musicians

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2078873)

Well I like the good stuff.

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078877)

thus the irony!

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078876)

the worst Art is clearly representational Art

or exactly the kind that would make you admire the technical skill of the painter, even though cameras exist now

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078878)

arbitrary standards if art are whack

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078891)

Yeh in reading the article I remember it now

It's one of those "this is so lazy and stupid it won't be viewed as art so by calling it art I'm calling into question what art means" kinda deals

I'm officially offended that you think hip hop as a genre is a suitable comparison to this

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078894)

So why am I wrong in thinking it sucks exactly?

I'm not saying it's not art.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078897)

You can totally think it sucks. But that doesn't mean there isn't an ephemeral meaning that you're not appreciating.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078899)

What if an artist sneaks into a bathroom stall, scribbles a gang sign with a sharpie the wall, then exits without telling anyone about his creation. Note that's art.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078899)

What if an artist sneaks into a bathroom stall, scribbles a gang sign with a sharpie the wall, then exits without telling anyone about his creation. Now that's art.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078900)

why do I have to be missing something to think it sucks?

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078902)

I mean if all you're interested in is making bad faith arguments to defend your ego whenever you don't like a piece of art then you might as well just walk away and leave the discussion alone.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078910)

Tell me about it.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078912)

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078916)

Oh and you said Doug Stanhope wasn't edgy well here's my fav edgy bit and also the best delivery of a joke I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078785)

this song is actually not bad at all after the terrible intro. Even if it is a blatant 3 6 mafia impersonation.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078786)

Honestly man, I know you live in a state with like 3 black people in it, but if you go to any hood in america 2pac has some haters but he also gets tons of respect. He's undeniably one of the biggest and most influential rappers ever. Where as with ICP, they either don't know who that is our they are largely seen as a joke.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078906)

I can appreciate that he tricked pretentious art types to take it serious. In that he has my utmost respect.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2079039)

I find your gate keeping to be pretentious.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2079044)

Culturally backwards people who **** on modern art are just as pretentious as arty snobs.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2079034)

This was recorded in 1995. The likely hood of ICP even knowing who 36 Mafia was is fairly low. How ever, if they were quick to find 36 Mafia that explains why they're so close.




You don't speak for black people and your inductive reasoning, well technically it's not even that it's inductive guessing, means nothing especially coming from somebody that lives on stereotypes. I get that you're a racist that thinks being white invalidates people's opinions on hip hop unless they know black people, and you probably ignorantly think I'm some privileged Mormon from Utah when I'm complete and utter white trash, but a 3rd of the valley area is Hispanic. Contrary to preconceived notions I've been the only white person before and I just never really got why you guys think it's some kind of validating thing.

Then you assume people don't know who ICP are because you're living in the 2000s. Unless you're talking black people because you think they are somehow completely different? Is this what it is? This is a "You come from Utah, you don't know how the blacks think, I do, I studied them, I had to live with them, there for my opinions on hip hop matter more" thing? You're goofy as hell.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2079039)

I find your gate keeping to be pretentious.



In my opinion art is what speaks to you. Sometimes context helps, sometimes it hurts, sometimes you derive your own personal feelings about a piece. The only thing that matters is what it says to you.

I enjoy surrealist, abstract and minimalist art a lot because it feels a lot less limiting in meaning and communicates more abstract feelings and ideas to me. Or, that's what I feel when I see it. I don't know, I really enjoy art though. Never been to a gallery before, unfortunately.