Music Banter - Is Tupac Corny?

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078544)

But he can actually rap. He has respect for the art form and as such he is respected by other rappers.

If you don't think ICP has respect for hip hop you really don't know **** about ICP. If you think they don't have respect in hip hop you're living in the past. Interviewers are calling them hip hop legends now.

Plus, if you like Eminem then you have to respect the influence they and Esham had on his style change between Infinite and the Slim Shady EP. The whole Slim Shady gimmick was inspired by Detroit hip hop. Hell, the whole idea of Bonnie & Clyde (and Kim) was inspired by Twiztid's Murder Murder Murder because he heard it back when it was a House of Krazees song.

To echo Batlord, their story telling is their pinnacle. I'd say it's on par with Slick Rick.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2078591)

I said this same **** to my friend. 2Pac is corny because he's a product of his time that didn't age well. It's mostly because of the flow. However having his dick sucked as if he's the greatest of all time didn't help his music from becoming corny.

ICP are also corny but they own it. To call them trash or unlistenable is just the trendy hip hop opinion people jump on.

If you don't think ICP has respect for hip hop you really don't know **** about ICP. If you think they don't have respect in hip hop you're living in the past. Interviewers are calling them hip hop legends now.

Plus, if you like Eminem then you have to respect the influence they and Esham had on his style change between Infinite and the Slim Shady EP. The whole Slim Shady gimmick was inspired by Detroit hip hop. Hell, the whole idea of Bonnie & Clyde (and Kim) was inspired by Twiztid's Murder Murder Murder because he heard it back when it was a House of Krazees song.

To echo Batlord, their story telling is their pinnacle. I'd say it's on par with Slick Rick.

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They don't have respect in the hip hop world because they make terrible music and put zero effort into it. Anyone who considers them a hip hop legend deserves to be lynched.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078626)

They don't have respect in the hip hop world because they make terrible music and put zero effort into it. Anyone who considers them a hip hop legend deserves to be lynched.

They pretty clearly put hella effort into their music. They just have trashy aesthetics that sound bad to fake music fans. Like every time Shaggy speaks is the ugliest thing in all of music but he puts his all into it and it's glorious.

No. You have to work at it to actually learn how to rap like Eminem for instance. Even if you don't like him, you have to know that as an amateur you aren't going to be able to rap like that.

But it's not at all crazy to think you could rap like ICP.

And it's not like they have great production to make up for the lazy rapping.

They're just all around amateurish and ****.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078629)

putting zero effort into it is the cornerstone of good music

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Gtfo with your musofascism

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078631)

I swear to god rap fans are the most artistically retarded music fans on the planet. Even metal is not so obsessed with having to play guitar real good to prove what a music person you are. It's like hip hop fans think a flow dick waving contest is the height of artistic achievement.

No... I'm not saying you have to have that sorta prowess to be good. But you have to have some thing. If you're not lyrical then fine. Maybe you have great production? Flow? Delivery? Etc. You have to have Something. They have nothing imo.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078635)

I know I might get roll'd through the ringer for this but it's hella obsessed with dick waving in general

it's always been a genre obsessed with machismo and postering. If you can't appreciate that then it's simply not for you.

I dont really care

I disagree that putting zero effort in us a good recipe for good music

I was only spelling out the difference between an artist that clearly put some effort in to one that didn't