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I said this same **** to my friend. 2Pac is corny because he's a product of his time that didn't age well. It's mostly because of the flow. However having his dick sucked as if he's the greatest of all time didn't help his music from becoming corny.
ICP are also corny but they own it. To call them trash or unlistenable is just the trendy hip hop opinion people jump on. Quote:
Plus, if you like Eminem then you have to respect the influence they and Esham had on his style change between Infinite and the Slim Shady EP. The whole Slim Shady gimmick was inspired by Detroit hip hop. Hell, the whole idea of Bonnie & Clyde (and Kim) was inspired by Twiztid's Murder Murder Murder because he heard it back when it was a House of Krazees song. To echo Batlord, their story telling is their pinnacle. I'd say it's on par with Slick Rick. |
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They don't have respect in the hip hop world because they make terrible music and put zero effort into it. Anyone who considers them a hip hop legend deserves to be lynched.
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No. You have to work at it to actually learn how to rap like Eminem for instance. Even if you don't like him, you have to know that as an amateur you aren't going to be able to rap like that.
But it's not at all crazy to think you could rap like ICP. And it's not like they have great production to make up for the lazy rapping. They're just all around amateurish and ****. |
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No... I'm not saying you have to have that sorta prowess to be good. But you have to have some thing. If you're not lyrical then fine. Maybe you have great production? Flow? Delivery? Etc. You have to have Something. They have nothing imo.
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I disagree that putting zero effort in us a good recipe for good music I was only spelling out the difference between an artist that clearly put some effort in to one that didn't |
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Like, I'd say this is one of many perfect encapsulations of their storytelling ability. Violent J doesn't have a wide vocabulary and yet he uses his primitive locution to paint vivid pictures and tell an oddly meandering, nonsensical story that somehow expresses everything about the group effortlessly. It even showcases perfectly J's and Shaggy's chemistry in the most boneheaded (i.e. appropriate) way possible. There are simply no to rappers more born to rap together than Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope. And yet it's all so cohesive that it's like spending an hour primping in front of a mirror to look like you just rolled out of bed. You just have to have a little imagination to see it. |
I think it's a requirement practically speaking... As any artist will hone their craft over time... Whether that is technically or otherwise
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Bro, ICP have a craft. It's expressing their cartoon personalities in the most effective way. And they have most definitely honed it over the years.
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But if you come into hip hop discussions taking about this is the best **** ever you just might trigger my rage |
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When I say give an example I mean post a song
Just 1 song pls, I don't want a list of songs |
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But tbh I've only heard them in a handful of occasions and they just always sounded bad to me. I could be missing something. In fact I probably am. But I think you just lack any actual appreciating for rap so coming in with some white boy band that isn't even really rap and touting them as the best is naturally gonna get under my skin. |
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As far as lyrical ability ICP are not far off from classic legends like Slick Rick. They take so much of their inspiration from that era of hip hop especially the grandiose gimmicks and story telling. The only difference being they are much more cartoony and goofy. ICP have proven that they can use multisyllable rhyme schemes above amateur single syllable rhymes like a lot of 2Pac's music does. ICP have adopted and switched flows drastically through out their career. ICP also have a higher vocabulary than 2pac. |
Lucem bout to trick himself back into being an ICP fan.
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Oh and the best show I've ever been to was my first ICP show. Hands down. Was one of the bombest nights I've ever had even though I got sick as a dog cause I got drenched in Faygo and it was like thirty degrees and I didn't have a change of clothes. They ****ing own a stage. They purchase it. They build their means of production on it. And they shoot Faygo off of it.
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However to discredit them or try to exclude them from hip hop or music is extremely ignorant and typically just people regurgitating what other people say. Which is totally backed by the person claiming that they are the worst things to rap while admitting to not knowing much of their music. |
Lmao @ comparing them to slick Rick. Yea let's just ignore the 30 years of progress since then.
I'll give you this their rapping is definitely on par with the sugar hill gang. |
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Then you have to consider the fact ICP and Slick started around the same time and ICP actually did evolve with hip hop while keeping a lucrative career the whole time while Slick Rick kind of fizzled because he kept the same formula. |
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I respect slick Rick for what he was... But what he is, is antiquated and simplistic. The fact you had to go that far back to make them sound like decent rappers is very telling |
And they never evolved " with hip hop" cause hip hop never accepted them. They evolved with their cult like fan base.
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And ICP Theater is top shelf Youtube.
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It's not my fault you pretend to love hip hop and have to lean on inaccurate stereotypes about where I live as a qualifier. |
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