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Frownland 09-18-2019 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078854)
It's not that arbitrary.
It is entirely arbitrary but thanks for your input.

Also, art ain't a contest so the notion of "failure" is irrelevant to the conversation.

jwb 09-18-2019 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2078851)
your stance is basically that the point of Art is to immediately look "cool, nice, unique" etc.

well there's a movement for that, though you may still dislike it

https://i.imgur.com/NYHbs5X.jpg
nah it should just be moving in some way based merely on the actual piece

You're right though I don't like that picture

It reminds me a lot of the crap they had on display at the art gallery I went to with the ex.

jwb 09-18-2019 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2078856)
It is entirely arbitrary but thanks for your input.

Also, art ain't a contest so the notion of "failure" is irrelevant to the conversation.
I mean is no more arbitrary than any other way if judging art.

Frownland 09-18-2019 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078857)
It reminds me a lot of the crap they had on display at the art gallery I went to with the ex.
But that's context and the painting should have to speak for itself according to the second clause of the eighth law of visual art.

The Batlord 09-18-2019 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078854)
It's not that arbitrary.

In terms of painting, it's visual the same way music is audio. You shouldn't need an explanation for why a song is good to like it. Either it sounds good or it doesn't. Same way you shouldn't need an explanation for why a painting is actually brilliant.

It's a visual medium. If the visual doesn't capture it then the painting failed do what it's supposed to.
I mean nothing is that simple. The signed urinal isn't anything to look at but as an attack on the art world's entrenched ego it's great. But in that case the context isn't so much an explanation as it is that if you weren't there at the time you wouldn't be aware of how the presentation of the piece was itself the art and so you'd need it explained.

Frownland 09-18-2019 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078858)
I mean is no more arbitrary than any other way if judging art.
My whole point is that standards for art are arbitrary, so yes any method of judging art based on any such standards are arbitrary.

jwb 09-18-2019 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078860)
I mean nothing is that simple. The signed urinal isn't anything to look at but as an attack on the art world's entrenched ego it's great. But in that case the context isn't so much an explanation as it is that if you weren't there at the time you wouldn't be aware of how the presentation of the piece was itself the art and so you'd need it explained.
call me crazy but a signed urinal just sounds like every urinal I've ever peed in

The Batlord 09-18-2019 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078857)
nah it should just be moving in some way based merely on the actual piece

You're right though I don't like that picture

It reminds me a lot of the crap they had on display at the art gallery I went to with the ex.
You don't see anything moving about that? Nothing maybe Lovecraftian about it?

jwb 09-18-2019 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2078861)
My whole point is that standards for art are arbitrary, so yes any method of judging art based on any such standards are arbitrary.
so there's not any way to judge art which isn't arbitrary?

The Batlord 09-18-2019 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078864)
call me crazy but a signed urinal just sounds like every urinal I've ever peed in
And this is why you're right wing.


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