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Lucem Ferre 09-17-2019 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078689)
let's see the Jay z quote
It's in an old interview from a radio station that doesn't exist and I can't find the interview.

The best I can find is here.

INTERVIEW: Jay-Z visits The New FLOW 93.5 in Toronto [Audio] | TOFLO.com

It was on Halloween of 2009 and they brought up ICP because it's Halloween.

jwb 09-17-2019 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2078694)
It's in an old interview from a radio station that doesn't exist and I can't find the interview.

The best I can find is here.

INTERVIEW: Jay-Z visits The New FLOW 93.5 in Toronto [Audio] | TOFLO.com

It was on Halloween of 2009 and they brought up ICP because it's Halloween.
lol

Lucem Ferre 09-17-2019 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078692)
People love slick Rick and so do I cause he is dated for a reason

If Rick the ruler came out today it would hardly make a ripple. That's just the gods honest truth.
If somebody came out with the same story telling and the same aesthetic I believe they could get a cult following. We have nostalgia artists out the ass. Joey Bada$$ started out as one and Villain Park is also one.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2078695)
lol
Shut up. It totally happened.

The Batlord 09-17-2019 08:45 PM
According to Faygoluvers Jay Z just praised their marketing and longevity which sounds like him just trying to be nice cause he has no reason to be a dick to them. I do not think that hip hop has come to respect ICP. I don't know anything about Xquire but Danny Brown is his own kind of lovable low class thing that I don't think really represents anyone's opinion but his own.

Lucem Ferre 09-17-2019 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078697)
According to Faygoluvers Jay Z just praised their marketing and longevity which sounds like him just trying to be nice cause he has no reason to be a dick to them.
It's still respect.

The Batlord 09-17-2019 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2078698)
It's still respect.
More like a political compliment that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Lucem Ferre 09-17-2019 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078699)
More like a political compliment that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
When Jay-Z, the guy that prides himself in his business shows respect for your marketing and how long your career has lasted it's definitely respect. He didn't have to say ****. Why would he care about staying on good terms with ICP?

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I do not think that hip hop has come to respect ICP. I don't know anything about Xquire but Danny Brown is his own kind of lovable low class thing that I don't think really represents anyone's opinion but his own.
When they are getting called legends by notable hip hop publications and figures like Ebro I think that counts as respect. They aren't completely embraced or as loved but they are absolutely respected especially in the newer generation. People started to notice how long they've stayed, how much they pay their dues and the grind they've had.

The Batlord 09-17-2019 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2078703)
When Jay-Z, the guy that prides himself in his business shows respect for your marketing and how long your career has lasted it's definitely respect. He didn't have to say ****. Why would he care about staying on good terms with ICP?
Or he was just giving a throwaway compliment simply because he was asked for any kind of opinion and that's the only thing he could be assed to say. I mean Donald Trump gives compliments to all kinds of people he's turned on. Doesn't mean ****.

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When they are getting called legends by notable hip hop publications and figures like Ebro I think that counts as respect. They aren't completely embraced or as loved but they are absolutely respected especially in the newer generation. People started to notice how long they've stayed, how much they pay their dues and the grind they've had.
You'd know more about hip hop publications than I would and if other rappers are saying **** then great. I think the amount of work they put into building their empire does deserve respect though. I mean they objectively worked their ****ing asses off to be where they are. Even if you think they don't put effort into their music they absolutely did put an insane amount of effort into their career.

Lucem Ferre 09-17-2019 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078704)
Or he was just giving a throwaway compliment simply because he was asked for any kind of opinion and that's the only thing he could be assed to say. I mean Donald Trump gives compliments to all kinds of people he's turned on. Doesn't mean ****.



You'd know more about hip hop publications than I would and if other rappers are saying **** then great. I think the amount of work they put into building their empire does deserve respect though. I mean they objectively worked their ****ing asses off to be where they are. Even if you think they don't put effort into their music they absolutely did put an insane amount of effort into their career.
I've just noticed opinions of ICP changing from complete hate to a more, "I respect what they do but it's not for me" attitude in the past 5 years.

Edit: It's becoming less taboo to appreciate them than it used to be. I think it's because hip hop is finally becoming a lot more accepting of different ideas and much more experimental than it used to be. Or maybe because in comparison to Lil Pump hip hop heads have found a new respect for them. I don't know.

The Batlord 09-17-2019 09:19 PM
I think that might be down to A.) the amount of time that has passed, and B.) the diffusion of music because of the internet so that people just kind of happen upon them and are like yay or nay rather being confronted with them like they might have been in the 90s.

Not necessarily any kind of respect thing. I really do think they just have a sound that will be appealing to a very certain kind of person right off the bat, and everyone else will always hate them, with a few outliers like me who just end up getting used to it. Something to do with a solid pop sensibility but an idiosyncratic sound pallet.


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