I just want any of you people to admit that you don't have an undeniable case against Addidas.



I made it clear that I don't disagree that problematic attitudes can be difficult to nail down.

I wouldn't welcome a climate where it's considered the right thing to do to do a witch hunt on someone, based on a feeling that he/she might possibly be a bit problematic.

I did, I literally addressed your point several times with the same counterpoint. So did Batlord.

Break it down.

Yes, you can't say he's definitively racist off this one comment because it's not blatantly racist,


That's your point being acknowledged^


but

Now this is when I make my rebuttal.

more often than not comments like that are coming from a racist because they hide in subtlety in a world that shuns racism.

And that's the rebuttal you fail to address while instead opting to falsely claim we aren't acknowledging your highly valued point.


Regardless, calling a bilingual person half-literate for speaking broken English is still bigoted whether he realized it or not.

This is the most important point that has also been failed to be addressed. See, the thing about this point is that it's not saying the person is racist, it's saying that the statement is racist. So counter arguing that we don't KNOW he's racist off this statement isn't addressing the point that the statement in it's self is racist regardless of it's intentions.

And my biggest thing was with how he said that people in Malaysia don't know how to use elevators and then tried to play it off as how white people in Malaysia also don't. Like, really? You were clearly talking about Malaysians, and I'm willing to accept that different cultures just have their own idiosyncrasies but when you try to bull**** about the fact that you were speaking about them specifically then it makes you look guilty of more than just observation.

Frownland already mentioned that his conclusion isn't based solely on this one comment, that it's based on a consistency of comments like this but people just ignored it.

* Where does Adidas call a bilingual person half-literate for speaking broken English? Not anywhere in the original statement. He called both half-literate with literally no reasoning behind. Might be for any number of reasons. One possible good reason being that they both make daft, cheesy music that don't exactly make either of them seem like Einstein. But they're black, and suddenly it's for sure race related. Somehow.

* So you can't say his statement is racist (my contention), but you're saying you can (which I still disagree with.) He's racist // his statement is racist - neither follow logically from his original comment. You say it does, I say that's bull****.

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Edit: You have to be really naive to not see the connection with the original statement, but him blatantly saying it here justifies our assumptions to the point that maybe you should concede that perhaps we understand something that you just don't yet.

****ing hell.

Maybe you should have quoted that comment several pages ago and we didn't have to go through all this. I keep referring to the original comment and you write your comments based off something from a multi step comment on page 3 that I never even saw.

But I'm curious. If a white Swedish guy moves to the US, becomes a rapper, then starts a Twitter feud with another white Swedish rapper who moved to the states from Sweden. Then Addidas calls them illiterate. Problematic or is it only when brown people are involved? Not saying it's equivalent at all, I'm just curious about what the specific reasoning would be, for why it's not the same.

No, I basically assumed prior to him confirming my assumptions.

And what else are forums here for other than wasting all of our precious and limited time on this earth?

And I respect that he wasn't making that up but I simply don't remember those comments. I was neutral until that comment I'm referencing. Seemed like textbook wishy washy guilty conscience ****.

*groaning very loudly*

I need a big, dirty drink.

I remember the Malaysian one because it kinda came off weird to me too, but I didn't remember the whole thread critiquing hip hop.


And at MicShazam, it would be problematic, yes, but doesn't strike nearly as much as a nerve as when it happens to POC because of how they are viewed and treated in this country. But to me, as you should already know, it rubs me the wrong way when anybody views hip hop culture in a condescending way.

I hear Europeans think Americans think about race too much, but I think Europeans have long lived in a bubble that encouraged them to think about race too little (especially considering their history of uneven power dynamics with other races). Race is a crazy subtle thing to think about so being immersed in centuries of atrocity in a certain view has been a boon to our cultural evolution.

Also, our focus on race is endorsed by the Russians who in their 1997 book, The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia, written by Aleksandr Dugin, explains that they want to use race relations to cause a cultural shift in America to destabilize our political process.

I know it's important to you, so I get that. As you know, I'm not really a fan of hip hop. But I don't disrespect the artistry of those that are good at what they do.

There's been loads of immigrants from Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and other Middle Eastern countries in Denmark since the 60's or 70's. Lot's of bigoted attitudes still going their way in 2018, at least if you look for it. "Perker" is the go-to slur, but there are others. No, not a lot of black people in most North European countries, but plenty of immigrants with colored skin that people can treat like lesser humans.
But things are going in the right direction. Young people make me feel hopeful when it comes to the future of racism in Denmark.

I've seen pieces of European racism towards the middle east because my 'friend's wife is from the UK. She's never said anything herself, (she found it strange that so many white people, especially her husband, say nigga so frequently in our social group) but her husband seems to reflect a bigoted sentiment that I feel like she feeds him in privacy. Their attitude towards hip hop has always came off as wonky to me. The way he tells me he doesn't like most hip hop because it mostly glorifies superficial materialism, sex and violence is laughable to me when his genre of choice is ****ing aggrotech. A genre that is so superficial that it's deepest lyrics are "WHY! DO WE CRY!"

That's a few decades of immigration verses a few centuries of absolutely brutal oppression that dwarfs the Nazis. We've been hazed to the point that we can't even take it but it still gets through and forces us to deal with racial issues so intense that we can't help but make leaps at times. If there's a country where race could become a non-issue then I honestly think it could be America. It's just such an issue that seeing the light at the end of the tunnel feels like a betrayal of what we're even feeling at the moment.

People wonder at the materialism of hip hop. It comes from a culture who half a century ago couldn't drink from our water fountains, where a century and a half ago couldn't not work for free for white folk for fear of death. Of course they want money.

People wonder at the "low culture" of hip hop. It comes from a culture where they've been denied education, adequate housing, and wealth. Why shouldn't they want heroes who don't "talk or act white" but still succeed and give the people hope that they can be themselves and still not starve?

To the modern black person hip hop is hope that they can retain their identity without having to remain destitute. Yeah it's become a trope but at its core it's the beating heart and soul of resistance.

To a lot of people coming from a place where you are consistently told you'd be nothing and seeing people flaunt their success is one of the most inspiring things. It's a middle finger to the oppressors. And it's important. Not just in a braggadocios way, but hip hop is becoming the out and the industry that is black owned and giving minorities opportunities that they never had prior.

Even at that, it's no less superficial or materialistic than the cyber goths who dress up in expensive and extravagant costumes. It's just more honest about it. Materialism isn't just about gold chains, that little fetish for Halloween decorations is materialism too.

*Fetish level +10*

This is the TMB thread, it seems

I think he was referring to audio/video of them arguing, not necessarily their music.

This is why you come off as a Frown d*ck rider. You write off his bad behavior as benevolent.

No? But you support Frown for doing so.



Also, I find it funny that adidasss, who started this thread, has been virtually silent in it.

We didn't end up jeering at the blacks like adidass wanted I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, just the behavior that you think is so bad comes directly from your arrogance preventing you from accepting challenging points of view and the same 4 people are constantly harping on Frown are the same ones that cause the most problems on this forum with ironically problematic behavior.

I've been baited into arduous arguments with Frown many times. It's not that big of a deal and every single time he's done it he's had a very valid and well thought out perspective to add. Like I at least feel like I gain something from it. But any time anybody ever has a disagreement with you, you end up throwing a temper tantrum and start ranting about how we're all idiots and you're just trying to save us. No different than the tantrums Chula is known for. No different than the tantrums Kiiii throws.

And why am I defending Frown even though I wouldn't call Adidasss a racist for this one statement? Because the statement is in it's self racist and Frown's point of view is very valid and understandable where as you little insecure baby **** wits are trying to claim he's just trolling because him having an opposing opinion brings back the trauma of the many times he's challenged yours own ****ty views.

Quit crying. Get over it.

Cool story bro.

I know, the best stories are always the true ones.

I quake when Lord Frown is near. A true poet and artisan.

Edit: After reading this thread I'm shocked at the amount of almonds Frown was able to activate with some pretty entry-level baiting. Did you people just start using the internet yesterday?

You guys should be on a watch out, because some of these Diss these days have turned out to be a way of music career promotion. I mean publicity.

So you're positing that Cardi B and Nicki Minaj are only pretending to hate one another in attempt to get more people to buy their albums?

It's been done before, but I think that they genuinely dislike each other. It's a shame that rap beef gets manufactured to sell albums, but I guess the buyers hold some responsibility for it by supporting such idiocy with their purchases.

Maybe you will finally leave then. I bought this bottle of champagne in April 2005 and have been waiting to open it until you quit, idk how much longer I can hold out.

Going at it with Candace Owens.

Appears to have made a tit of herself.

Cardi B would **** that evil **** up.

lol I am just now discovering this thread

Adidas is definitely being racist here and you're splitting hairs trying to defend him key. Tsk tsk.

Yeah this whole thing wasn't about skin color but whiteness. The intersection of race and class where middle class white culture is held up as an ideal where if you show signs of anything but being a respectable white person down with suit and tie Queen's English culture your culture is less than.

It's the same dynamic that made hip hop a joke to white people for so many years. They don't relate to or understand the vernacular so they assume nothing of substance is being said. Here's the basic disconnect demonstrated in terms of white people listening to rap:

I mean these people are just super dumb. I imagine if you put white people music in front of them they'd be almost as clueless cause they just can't art. The problem is that there are white folk who are more intellectually and emotionally intelligent than this who can actually understand things but reject the idea of understanding things unfamiliar to them because it's simply easier and more rewarding to find any and all perceived flaws for the sake of propping up their own identity as being superior to an identity that is different and therefore not as immediately understandable.

Yeah but smart or not most white people won't understand a lot of rap lyrics simply cause they don't speak the language

Cardi B reminds me of this girl I knew in high school that everyone liked. Not cause she's talented or funny, she was just such a huge whore that if you claimed she was talented you could get lucky. I'm not saying she's talentless. I'm just saying that Will Ferrell rubbing his balls on a drum set is a more musically interesting listen.

Yes that's exactly it she's famous because everyone is convinced by listening to her music maybe they can sleep with her. That's great detective work.