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Originally Posted by dreadnaught
He's not entirely wrong. It exists in hip hop but to generalize and heap everything into that category isn't right, no doubt. It doesn't really bother me as a female and it totally exists in other genres as well so I don't know why hip hop is being singled out. It's unfair to the genre.
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First off, nice to see some familiar names WHO HAVEN'T CHANGED THEIR NICKNAMES 15 TIMES are still around.
I really can't place myself in your shoes but I hope that this "doesn't really bother me" attitude doesn't come from just a general desensitization to misogyny.
I'm also struggling to think of any major artist in other genres that depicts women in quite so vulgar and demeaning way or that could drop a "fa*got" in their songs and get away with it (like numerous rap artists have done, repeatedly). Not in pop, rock, indie, electronic music. Maybe some fringe artists no one pays attention to, certainly not chart topping. Maybe I'm wrong though...
Also, I absolutely don't mean to say that ALL rap is like this and that all rappers rap about are money, bitches and drugs, but a lot of it is...and that's the part we're talking about here.
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Originally Posted by Frownland
Misogyny is still widely prevalent in the genre but I'd say that the past 5 years or so has seen hip hop turning its back on homophobia.
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I agree! At least people are being called out on it and made to backtrack somewhat. We are absolutely progressing. Still long way off from homophobia=racism though...case in point, Roseanne's career is finished but Lakeith Stanfield can just say he was "playing a character" and walk away unscathed...:/
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Originally Posted by [MERIT]
Fist of all, WELCOME THE FUCK BACK adidasss!!
It's all about the money. If hating or comforting a certain group is the ticket of the day, then it will be sung [or RAPPED] about.
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Thanks!
And that's fine but my question is, why do the fans (mostly) accept this kind of behavior and just shrug it off?
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk
It’s still true that the only people an artist needs to be accountable to his own fanbase
The LGBTQBBQ people got all upset when Snoop first said “Frisco ****”
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I note a hint of derision with this BBQ addition so I continue with caution.
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They huffed and puffed and it’s off the record now so is Biggie’s “I don’t give a **** if she’s pregnant- snatch the number 1 mom pendant”
But as the years roll into decades guess what? The people who buy the concert tickets and listen to the music just don’t give a ****. Money talks and bull**** walks.
The PC anti-fun police can’t stop it and if they start up with their oppressive moralism for all - it just sells more records - haha!!!
But... little PC puss wads like Kendrick “oh noes a white person sang my song” Lamar wants to be the new negro God Squad but none of the good next generation rappers give a ****. They wanna party and have a good time and that’s what they’re going to do.
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I don't really understand this reasoning, my question is, why is this fun? Is it fun to call women bitches and whores and reduce them to objects? Possibly for men, how about women? Do they matter? Racism is fun for racists, does that mean they shouldn't be called out for it?
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Final note: Just FYI
Nihilism, self-degradation, and life’s not worth it are the most common themes in hip hop- from a literary standpoint hip hop’s closest cousins are Sartre, Nietzsche, and Dazai
The worship of drugs and money and celebration of criminal activity is second
Lyrical content like homophobia, mysogyny, and self-aggrandizement are all distant thirds
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I can't say either way, as I said, I'm not deeply involved in the genre, but what we're addressing here is the latter.
07-10-2018, 12:49 AM
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