Lack of accountability in rap

**Janszoon** · 07-10-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yes. I love challenges to the status quo and pro-genderbendering and pro LGBTQ+ (especially radicalized) is very welcome afaic - bring it hard - bash back

Kill whitey - Go Go ISIS - it’s all fine

I’m just opposed to getting into a tizzy over homophobia and misogyny - that’s also amusing subject matter

And yet here you are getting in a tizzy about it.

OccultHawk · 07-10-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

And yet here you are getting in a tizzy about it.

There’s a difference between supporting something and not being against something. I support homophobic rappers and radically pro-gay rappers. I’m anti-anti homophobic fans who think rappers should be held accountable.

I’m in a tizzy about blandness.

**Frownland** · 07-10-2018, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

My fake outrage is more important because.

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Key · 07-10-2018, 11:38 AM

My only take on this is that you have to separate an artists art from their personal life. An artist may rap about homophobia, but that doesn't make him homophobic unless he proves to be.

Same goes for anything really. If an artist I like does something I don't like in person, it's not always connected to my opinion of their music.

Ninetales · 07-10-2018, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

An artist may rap about homophobia, but that doesn't make him homophobic unless he proves to be.

idk about this unless you just mean the topic in general.

i'd agree with elphenor's point that classic rock seems to get much more lenience when it comes to this kind of stuff. I mean.. people ignore what they want to ignore.

I have a tough time swallowing DMX past nostalgia just the same as Dire Straits but I feel like anecdotally the latter isn't as widely known about

Key · 07-10-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

idk about this unless you just mean the topic in general.

i'd agree with elphenor's point that classic rock seems to get much more lenience when it comes to this kind of stuff. I mean.. people ignore what they want to ignore.

I have a tough time swallowing DMX past nostalgia just the same as Dire Straits but I feel like anecdotally the latter isn't as widely known about

I'm just saying in general. Not specifically. I just used homophobia as an example.

**Frownland** · 07-10-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

I'm just saying in general. Not specifically. I just used homophobia as an example.

Do homophobic artists ever talk about homophobia directly or were you talking about homophobic content? If it's the latter do you have an example?

Key · 07-10-2018, 02:27 PM

Let me make my point very clear so that there is no confusion. I was using homophobia as a point on top of the initial point which is that the topic at hand is not always connected to the artist. Sometimes it's used specifically for the art. Say for instance an artist raps about depression or anxiety or homophobia etc etc, it doesn't necessarily mean that the artist in question is specifically going through that. They're just delivering a message.

That's why with artists you can't always rate their music based on their personal lives. It's not fair for the art.

**Frownland** · 07-10-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

Let me make my point very clear so that there is no confusion. I was using homophobia as a point on top of the initial point which is that the topic at hand is not always connected to the artist. Sometimes it's used specifically for the art. Say for instance an artist raps about depression or anxiety or homophobia etc etc, it doesn't necessarily mean that the artist in question is specifically going through that. They're just delivering a message.

That's why with artists you can't always rate their music based on their personal lives. It's not fair for the art.

Do you think it's fair to glean anything about the artist as a person from their music? Plus do you actually have an example of a rapper with homophobic content who isn't homophobic?

Key · 07-10-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Do you think it's fair to glean anything about the artist as a person from their music? Plus do you actually have an example of a rapper with homophobic content who isn't homophobic?

No. I dont. Because I wasn't talking literally homophobia. I was using it as an example based on the thread context. I do think there are exceptions obviously. My point is not meant to be too thought provoking.

07-10-2018, 11:38 AM	#34 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	My only take on this is that you have to separate an artists art from their personal life. An artist may rap about homophobia, but that doesn't make him homophobic unless he proves to be. Same goes for anything really. If an artist I like does something I don't like in person, it's not always connected to my opinion of their music.

07-10-2018, 02:27 PM	#38 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Let me make my point very clear so that there is no confusion. I was using homophobia as a point on top of the initial point which is that the topic at hand is not always connected to the artist. Sometimes it's used specifically for the art. Say for instance an artist raps about depression or anxiety or homophobia etc etc, it doesn't necessarily mean that the artist in question is specifically going through that. They're just delivering a message. That's why with artists you can't always rate their music based on their personal lives. It's not fair for the art.