The Batlord

Do you prefer the masters (ICP) or the wannabes (Twiztid)?

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Lucem Ferre

Do you like the wicked **** (Twiztid) or the wackest **** (ICP)?

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The Batlord

Do you like wannabe gangsta rappers (Twiztid) or a group with vision (ICP)?

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Lucem Ferre

Isn't that kind of ironic? Since ICP started out as Inner City Posse, a wannabe gangster rap group, while Twiztid started out as House of Krazees, a wannabe Esham rap group?

Or since ICP are the ones that did Psychopathic Rydas, the ultimate wannabe gangster rap.

Or their collab album with 36Mafia where they were wannabe thugs?

Their vision was stolen from Esham. From the clown gimmick to the horror music. To rapping over rock beats. To even full on song concepts.

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The Batlord

And ICP grew beyond that, whereas Twiztid are pretty much the same thing as they've always been, just with less killing and more weeping.

Wut? I guess I was just imagining that Twiztid were also in Psychopathic Rydas. And I'm pretty sure that was just a bit of fun for all involved, not anything serious.

Never heard that.

I don't remember Esham doing the clown gimmick, but I wouldn't be surprised if Violent J lifted it. He lifted enough from plenty of people. And then he made it his own. I can hear Esham all the **** over Ringmaster and Riddle Box, but those albums still sound totally unique and ICP. The specific atmosphere, the nonsense lyrics, and the off-the-wall concept all made for something that can't be replicated.

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Lucem Ferre

I don't ever see Twiztid as wannabe gangsters. Just products of their environment. J grew up poor but outside of Detroit while Twiztid grew up with in Detroit. They went to highschool with Eminem and Proof. They remember people being shot and killed over rap battles. Mono has been in caught in a drive by before. J got bullied by mean kids with BB guns.

Esham stole this Homey The Clown gimmick from an In Loving Color skit and started painting his face and rapping in clown paint on stage. ICP saw that and started painting their hype man's face before J had his magical dark carnival dream from god or what ever cult leader bull**** he pushes.

Killjoy Club. It was a super group with ICP, 36 Mafia and Young Wicked.

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The Batlord

Luckily I never gave a **** about ICP or Twiztid as gangster rappers, but Twiztid never really evolved enough beyond that schtick to become interesting in their own right.

lulz. In Living Color is responsible for ICP. That's pretty nice. But ICP still ran with the concept far beyond what anybody else ever did. Unless you want to rag on anyone who borrows ideas, like Shakespeare. Violent J is ****ing Shakespeare, ***got.

I'll have to check it out. Hopefully it's less ****ty than Soopa Villainz.

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Lucem Ferre

But I do think Twiztid evolved. You act like Twiztid are ABK or something.

Yeah, I'll give it to yah, that ICP have carved their own identity even though it was on the back of Esham.

It's nothing too great. The only good member of 36 left was DJ Paul. But nothing is as bad as Soopa Villainz. That **** is ****ing terrible. And to think, some morons have that **** tattooed on them. You ever hear the song about killing gay people?

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The Batlord

1. Woah, woah, woah. I don't like a lot of Twiztid, but I love more than a little at least. I would never compare them to god damn ****ing ABK, Boondox, or even Blaze. They're the only other Psychopathic artist that was ever worth a damn as far as I know and I will give them that due. Okay I guess Blaze is fun enough sometimes.

2. I don't think I ever got past the first song off that Soopa Villainz album. Dear god is it terrible. And I don't know how ICP can be so against gay people. They talk so much **** about being religious but not bound by organized religion, and yet they can't even see beyond the most ignorant parts of conservative Christianity? Yeah, I definitely don't love them cause they're my intellectual equals.

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Oriphiel

You may as well have named this thread "Batlord v.s. Lucem Ferre".

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