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Old 05-01-2013, 11:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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@realtalk: Jay is more consistent than Nas. From 96 to 2003, Jay released an album every year and EVERY one was at least good. (The weakest probably being either Dynasty or Blueprint 3) Nas released "I Am" and "Nastradamus" the same year and both were wack or were at least close to being wack. (Nastradamus moreso) From 94 to 2000, Nas only released 2 great albums, Jay released 3-4.

Your definition of consistent is skewed.

Consistency has nothing to do with quantity. In other words, Jay Z could release an album every single year that doesnt necessarily make him consistent and basing consistency off of quantity does not really reflect the quality of the album.


We are not speaking of quantity albums. The consistency that Fluff and other posters are speaking about is artistic, authentic, creative and thought provoking albums which objectively Jay Z does not have alot of.

Nas has been consistent for the most part since his debut outside of 1-2 albums. Outside of being consistent, Nas is lyrically superior and lyrically equipped than Jay Z. There is no competition.

People keep saying Jay Z has skills but what are these skills? lol

He is not an exceptional free style, battler or lyrist. His lyrics are elementary and lack depth.

MC's like Nas make Jay Z look like a 1st grader trying to rap in a talent show. I know its harsh but its the truth. If you take all those catchy beats and producers away thats what it boils down too.



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Concerning Jay only being "great" because of his own hype, that's BS. Jay obviously has the skills to back it up because Wayne claims he is the greatest rapper alive too but do people buy into that? No. Why not? Because Wayne doesn't have the material or claims to back something like that up while Jay-Z does.
Actually they do LOL

Wayne had the biggest first week album sales ever by a rapper and has the most top billboard chart positions by any other rapper. Yes, even beating Jay Z.

I dont like Wayne but just saying....
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Your definition of consistent is skewed.

Consistency has nothing to do with quantity. In other words, Jay Z could release an album every single year that doesnt necessarily make him consistent and basing consistency off of quantity does not really reflect the quality of the album.


We are not speaking of quantity albums. The consistency that Fluff and other posters are speaking about is artistic, authentic, creative and thought provoking albums which objectively Jay Z does not have alot of.

Nas has been consistent for the most part since his debut outside of 1-2 albums. Outside of being consistent, Nas is lyrically superior and lyrically equipped than Jay Z. There is no competition.

People keep saying Jay Z has skills but what are these skills? lol

He is not an exceptional free style, battler or lyrist. His lyrics are elementary and lack depth.
Dude, do you even read the posts? I said EVERY album he released in that time frame was at least GOOD. I wasn't toting the fact that he released a large quantity alone as evidence of consistency.

Jay-Z has an amalgamation of skills that make him a good rapper. He has a great flow, interesting lyrical nuances, and decent storytelling abilities. Plus he's got a good sense of song structure.

Look at "D'evils" from his first album and how he talks about how he is kidnapping one of his old friend's baby-momma and is paying her to give the location of her lover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnyBp4FzzI


or how bout his flow on "Can't Knock the Hustle"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORQOYpLaA9U

I'm gonna be straight with you bro, if you don't think Jay-Z has ANY skills, you just don't know rap music.
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Old 05-01-2013, 02:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Dude, do you even read the posts? I said EVERY album he released in that time frame was at least GOOD. I wasn't toting the fact that he released a large quantity alone as evidence of consistency.

Jay-Z has an amalgamation of skills that make him a good rapper. He has a great flow, interesting lyrical nuances, and decent storytelling abilities. Plus he's got a good sense of song structure.

Look at "D'evils" from his first album and how he talks about how he is kidnapping one of his old friend's baby-momma and is paying her to give the location of her lover.
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You briefly mentioned that "he released an album every year" unlike some of his peers. I can read just fine. I just wanted to address that point.

There isnt anything exceptional about his flow, story telling skills or lyrical nuances. He is average at best. His metaphors, word play and lyrics are not at an exceptionally skill level like Nas who is a talented songwriter and rapper.

In other words, any rapper can do what Jay Z does. His skills are not special or at an exceptional level. That is why I said if you take away the beats and producers there isnt much talent there.

The song is one of HIS better songs but it is not one of the best songs from that era. Ive heard more creative songs.


I am a female by the way not a "bro" lol

And you are using some of his better songs as examples but there are much better songs and lyrists than even those examples and I am going to post examples when I have more time.
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People keep saying Jay Z has skills but what are these skills? lol
He's a jack of all trades master of nothing rapper who adapts to contemporary trends to create music which sells at that particular moment in time.
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He's a jack of all trades master of nothing rapper who adapts to contemporary trends to create music which sells at that particular moment in time.
So you are basically saying that he's the Madonna of Rap then?
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