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05-03-2013, 09:05 AM | #321 (permalink) | ||
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"How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come off your fat lips?" Now let's review how many of them actually came off of his fat lips
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05-03-2013, 09:12 AM | #322 (permalink) |
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Takeover's a better track than Ether.
As for biting lines; as Jay-Z said in the first line of that video "If I say a BIG verse, I'm only bigging up my brother" He's aware of what he's doing, it's his way of paying homage to one of his influences. A large part of hip-hop is sampling and recycling other material. It's always been that way. There's no way Jay-Z had 11 albums (solo, not including mixtapes & collabs) of just BIG lyrics. So there's more material which is original than stolen. Hardly stealing 'all' of his lines from others. |
05-03-2013, 09:28 AM | #324 (permalink) |
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To be fair, Jay-Z takes it further than just paying homage. When you've got videos like that, 6 minutes long, and he's taking discreet 4's and 8's he's not taking well known phrases or one liners he's lifting actual bars, then it's past paying homage to be honest.
Ether was better. The idea of a diss is to humiliate the opponent surely? [AUDIO] Jay-Z Crying On Hot97 After Hearing Ether!! Nas WON - YouTube "Wow, like... wow" "It's, it's far man" Jay-Z was fucking upset. Nas won, he had him on radio stuttering and crying about it. Last edited by Cuthbert; 05-03-2013 at 09:34 AM. |
05-03-2013, 03:02 PM | #326 (permalink) |
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I'm with Manky, I liked Takeover better. "Ether" seemed childish in comparison. Plus, a lot of what Nas said was opinion whereas the majority of what Jay said was fact. As a diss, they're both good though.
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05-03-2013, 03:18 PM | #327 (permalink) | ||
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It doesn't matter if it was childish or not. Jay-Z's dub smacked of arrogance and wasn't as brutal, and considering how arrogant he came across, that it was him who ended up on radio like that is funny as ****. And it was him who actually started the beef, which makes it funnier. He came out of it looking like a total cock. Quote:
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05-03-2013, 04:26 PM | #328 (permalink) | |
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"Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad You scribbled in your notepad and created your life I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor" It's well known Nas wasn't a gangbanger and Jay ACTUALLY did show Nas a tec 9 while on tour with LP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHOtnUW3QUI Or this: "So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song" "Dead Presidents" was actually more successful as a single than "The World Is Yours". and the best part of either diss song imo "Because you know who (who) did you know what (what) with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now" Jay got it on with Nas's baby momma and decided to include it on the song to really bring the diss to a personal level for Nas. And let's be honest, the whole "dividing" thing he did was cool as hell, he echoed the the majority's sentiments about his albums (at the time) and basically called Nas a one hit wonder. The reason I say "at the time" is because It Was Written has substantially gained favor over the years. Anyway, the beat on Takeover is also much better. You got an angry Jim Morrison sampled (from "Five to One") and you also got a relatively new producer (Kanye) bringing the heat. When you say that Jay sounded arrogant and that Takeover wasn't as "brutal", that's exactly what Jay was shooting for. At the time Jay was at the peak of his popularity and had nothing to prove. As a result, "Takeover" comes out sounding cool and collected from an MC that has no fear. I remember someone picturing it as "Jay sitting on a leather chair smoking a blunt while he calmly laid out why Nas had fallen off". Also, Nas's claims about Jay (being misogynistic) are a bit hypocritical since he made a whole hit song ("You Owe Me") about getting a blowjob for letting a chick hold his jewelry. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. |
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05-03-2013, 10:12 PM | #329 (permalink) | |
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Good.... because you dont know what hip hop is and you dont even listen to Nas, BIG, 2pac, Rakim, etc You didnt even bother to read my responce or answer my questions after I took the time to read through all your contradictions, ignorance, assumptions and redundant arguements If your going to criticize an artists music you should ACTUALLY listen to their music before making assumptions and judgements about it. All it does is show your arrogance and snubbish attitude about what you perceive their music to be. When you said hip hop was about "shooting guns" I was through. Completely disrespectful. I said I was going to post the lines Jay Z has stolen when I have time because I wanted to take my time to gather and post them but that doesnt mean I cant back up what I say. Its pretty known knowledge that he steals lyrics and actual likes for BIG. Nas destroyed Jay Z on Ether, no competition. Compare lyrics: Nas "Ether": [2Pac talking] ("**** Jay-Z") What's up niggas, ay yo, I know you ain't talking 'bout me dog You, what? ("**** Jay-Z") You been on my dick nigga, you love my style, nigga ("**** Jay-Z") [Chorus] (I) **** with your soul like ether (Will) Teach you the king you know you (Not) "God's son" across the belly (Lose) I prove you lost already Brace yourself for the main event Y'all impatiently waiting It's like an AIDS test, what's the results? Not positive, who's the best? Pac, Nas and Big Ain't no best, East, West, North, South, flossed out, greedy I embrace y'all with napalm Blows up, no guts, left chest, face gone How could Nas be garbage? Semi-autos at your cartilage Burner at the side of your dome, come outta my throne I got this, locked since '9-1 I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain't influenced Gave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music Check it [Chorus] [talking] Ay yo, pass me the weed, pour my ashes out on these niggas man (no doubt) Ay, y'all ***gots, y'all kneel and kiss the ****ing ring [Chorus] I've been ****ed over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten Y'all just piss on me, **** on me, spit on my grave (uh) Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face Y'all some "well wishers," friendly acting, envy hiding snakes With your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take? When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleep That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle This for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupid When KRS already made an album called Blueprint First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live [talking] (I...will...not...lose) "God's son" across the belly, I prove you lost already The king is back, where my crown at? (Ill...will) Ill Will rest in peace, let's do it niggas [Chorus] Y'all niggas deal with emotions like bitches What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother You traded your soul for riches My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it You seem to be only concerned with dissing women Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly? Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject me Or make records to disrespect me, blatent or indirectly In '88 you was getting chased through your building Calling my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers All I did was gave you a style for you to run with Smiling in my face, glad to break bread with the god Wearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars No jail bars Jigga, no pies, no case Just Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan I still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate class You Tae-bo hoe, tryna' work it out, you tryna' get brolic? Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledge Nah, I'm tryna' kick the **** you need to learn though That ether, that **** that make your soul burn slow Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy? Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy Rockefeller died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after? Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas? Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas In a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks? Ne-gro please You no mustache having, with whiskers like a rat Compared to Beans you wack And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big And, Eminem murdered you on your own **** You a dick-riding ***got, you love the attention Queens niggas run you niggas, ask Russell Simmons Ha, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick J.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quick Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick So little shorty's getting gunned up and clapped quick How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips? Wanted to be on every last one of my classics You pop ****, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss Jay Z- Take Over [Jay-Z] R.O.C., we runnin this rap **** Memphis Bleek, we runnin this rap **** B. Mac, we runnin this rap **** Freeway, we run this rap **** O & Sparks, we runnin this rap **** Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap **** The takeover, the break's over nigga God MC, me, Jay-Hova Hey lil' soldier you ain't ready for war R.O.C. too strong for y'all It's like bringin a knife to a gunfight, pen to a test Your chest in the line of fire witcha thin-ass vest You bringin them Boyz II Men, HOW them boys gon' win? This is grown man B.I., get you rolled in the triage(?) Beatch - your reach ain't long enough, dunny Your peeps ain't strong enough, ****a Roc-A-Fella is the army, better yet the navy Niggaz'll kidnap your babies, spit at your lady We bring - knife to fistfight, kill your drama Uh, we kill you mother****in ants with a sledgehammer Don't let me do it to you dunny cause I overdo it So you won't confuse it with just rap music R.O.C., we runnin this rap **** M-Easy, we runnin this rap **** The Broad Street Bully, we runnin this rap **** Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it Freeway, we run this rap **** O & Sparks, we runnin this rap **** Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap **** "Watch out!! We run New York" -> [KRS-One] I don't care if you Mobb Deep, I hold triggers to crews You little ****, I've got money stacks bigger than you When I was pushin weight, back in eighty-eight you was a ballerina I got your pictures I seen ya Then you dropped "Shook Ones," switch your demeanor Well - we don't believe you, you need more people Roc-A-Fella, students of the game, we passed the classes Nobody could read you dudes like we do Don't let 'em gas you like Jigga is ass and won't clap you Trust me on this one - I'll detach you Mind from spirit, body from soul They'll have to hold a mass, put your body in a hole No, you're not on my level get your brakes tweaked I sold what ya whole album sold in my first week You guys don't want it with Hov' Ask Nas, he don't want it with Hov', nooooo! R.O.C., we runnin this rap **** B. Sigel, we runnin this rap **** M-Easy, we runnin this rap **** Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it O & Sparks, we runnin this rap **** Freeway, we run this rap **** Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap **** "Watch out!! We run New York" -> [KRS-One] I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME! But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your brain Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME! Youse the *** model for Karl Kani/Esco ads Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco's trash Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all to your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally" verse better than yours Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole ****in song but I know - the sun don't shine, then son don't shine That's why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end There's only so long fake thugs can pretend Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad You scribbled in your notepad and created your life I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor (Me, that's who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on your dresser So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song And you ain't get a corn nigga you was gettin ****ed and I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten I've been in it five - smarten up Nas Four albums in ten years nigga? I could divide That's one every let's say two, two of them ****s was due One was - NAHHH, the other was "Illmatic" That's a one hot album every ten year average And that's so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow Your **** is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge? (Get the **** outta here) You niggaz gon' learn to respect the king Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen Because you know who (who) did you know what (what) with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now R.O.C., we runnin this rap **** M-Easy, we runnin this rap **** The Broad Street Bully, we runnin this rap **** Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it Freeway, we run this rap **** O & Sparks, we runnin this rap **** Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap **** "Watch out!! We run New York" -> [KRS-One] A wise man told me don't argue with fools Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who So stop with that childish ****, nigga I'm grown Please leave it alone - don't throw rocks at the throne Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you I don't know why your advisors ain't forewarn you Please, not Jay, he's, not for play I don't slack a minute, all that thug rappin and gimmicks I will end it, all that yappin be finished You are not deep, you made your bed now sleep Don't make me expose to them folks that don't know you Nigga I know you well, all the stolen jew-els Twinkletoes you breakin my heart You can't **** with me - go play somewhere, I'm busy And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga You only get half a bar - **** y'all niggaz Talk about a weak ass childish come back not to mention Jay Z was the one that started the beef with Nas. Like I said before, Jay Z is not lyrically equipped. |
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05-04-2013, 01:08 AM | #330 (permalink) | |
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You know what? I'm the best rapper alive and King of New York too End of discussion
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