Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

aside from making sweeping generalizations about his fan base and resorting to childish insults, why is he overrated?

Pretty sure he polarizes opinion, as many dislike him as like him, I don't think that's the definition of overrated.

As for who is actually overrated.

1. 2Pac: A better ambassador than he ever was rapper. How many people who consider this guy GOAT, are doing so because of his legacy and influence.
Fair enough, these can't be doubted and he's a real icon for the underprivileged black population (despite going to drama school) as well as hip-hop as a whole. He provided positive messages to not only the black population, but also single mothers, the unemployed and the otherwise oppressed.
He's not only an inspiration to many as an influential figure but he also helped legitimize hip-hop's gangster image with his feud with Biggie and subsequent(?) death. So there's many pros to point to, but how many of them are due to his actual music?

Aside from the inspiring messages within, his music wasn't particularly great or unique. Some of the hooks he used were atrocious, Brenda's Got a Baby is absolutely unlistenable to me.
As a rapper, his flow was decent, hardly anything to get excited over though. In terms of lyrical content, people may derive meaning or fulfillment from his songs, but the lyrics themselves by in large aren't articulate in and of itself.
And that's his gimmick, he's seen as the Jesus of rap. And like Jesus his teachings don't translate well outwith his environment, nor have they particularly stood the test of time on a musical level.
Listening back now, the production and rap content is very of its time and sounds woefully dated.
His songs were at times one dimensional, repetitive and borderline preachy.

Aside from this, I'm not sure he put out one wholly consistent project, be it mixtape or album.
Sure 2Pac has his moments, and I don't doubt his impact not just on hip hop but on pop culture and even on social history but as a rapper, the guy's nothing spectacular.

Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I initially had a hard time getting into 2 Pac. For me a lot of it had to do with being surrounded by a culture of high energy music growing up (Punk, techno, new wave, disco, heavy metal ect ect)

So when I first heard him, the groove was to slow for me, almost like doctor office music slow, lol (California Love aside)

Once I got into him however, the stuff was solid. 2Pac's music is deeply rooted in the slower sounds of R&B, so I don't think he's overated, his style is just coming from a different place than say the high energy sounds of N.W.A.

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

he's not overrated because he takes influence from rnb?

I don't follow.

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

As for people taking knocks at Jay-Z, have any of you heard is MTV Unplugged live album? Give that a shot, may change your perspective.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I haven't heard it. What's good about it? Just the fact that The Roots are playing with him?

Originally Posted by elphenor

I'd vote for Trump

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

-Chance the Rapper
-Tyler the Creator

Originally Posted by Neward Thelman

"SMOKE CRACK MUDA****KKA"

I'll check that dictionary, but in the meantime I'm impressed - as is everyone else in the world - by your eloquence, obvious accomplishments and success, and the evidence of your blazingly high intelligence.

Originally Posted by Frownland

He just doesn't have a mind so closed that it rivals Blockbuster.

Originally Posted by elphenor

I own the mail