'hip hop is gay right now,' reports legendary/washed up rapper sticky fingaz of onyx

**Janszoon** · 03-07-2015, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

but that's the whole spirit of hip hop

it is by its very nature a genre built on posturing

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Originally Posted by James

Genres evolve. It doesn't have to be like that, and it isn't anymore.

I would say it's still very much about posturing. I'm having a hard time thinking of any modern hip hop that doesn't include at least a little posturing, even among artists I like.

DwnWthVwls · 03-08-2015, 03:56 AM

Because talking about how amazing you are because of your cool rich people toys is not posturing. They make club music about fucking bitches and material objects, there's no posturing. That's not semantics.

Drake interview, "I make music for people to drive to at night".

~~James~~ · 03-08-2015, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

yes but i think the old version was better. you can call it evolution if you like. but its still based on posturing

drake is not shy when it comes to posturing

he just does it in a less masculine way

basically taking the same idea but marketing it more to females

Drake brags an insane amount, especially on his new release. I'd just rather hear a rapper brag about how successful and talented they are, rather than the fact they are tough and straight.

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

james tell me what you think of that onyx track i posted, i'm curious to hear your thoughts

I like it. Dudes go hard.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I would say it's still very much about posturing. I'm having a hard time thinking of any modern hip hop that doesn't include at least a little posturing, even among artists I like.

It's still everywhere yeah, but not as much. I was kind of speaking specifically about the macho bull****, while modern hip hop is still competitive in nature I think rappers have found other ways in which they are better than everyone else.
It's not like I don't love some of these artists either, I try to keep art and politics seperate, but it's still nice seeing some change.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 03-08-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Because talking about how amazing you are because of your cool rich people toys is not posturing. They make club music about fucking bitches and material objects, there's no posturing. That's not semantics.

Drake interview, "I make music for people to drive to at night".

wait you don't think drake does any posturing, going on about how great he is? you must agree with him then and think he's just being informative. i never pegged you for a drake dickrider, vwls.

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Originally Posted by James

Drake brags an insane amount, especially on his new release. I'd just rather hear a rapper brag about how successful and talented they are, rather than the fact they are tough and straight.

why is bragging about being rich less vain/fake than bragging about being tough? what's wrong with asserting masculinity as a virtue these days?

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I like it. Dudes go hard.

but you say you don't like macho posturing
do you see any macho posturing in this song?
and if so then why do you like it when they go hard?

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It's still everywhere yeah, but not as much. I was kind of speaking specifically about the macho bull****, while modern hip hop is still competitive in nature I think rappers have found other ways in which they are better than everyone else.
It's not like I don't love some of these artists either, I try to keep art and politics seperate, but it's still nice seeing some change.

see, as an approach to life in general i think it is better to rise above the instinctual obsession with trying to be alpha and all that ****. not necessarily squash it entirely cause it still serves a sort of function but don't dwell on it or let it
become some sort of identity issue. but in terms of art, i like to see the gladiators boast and clash. that is the true spirit of hip hop to me. trying to remove it just leaves you with an empty shell of the original idea where gladiators still compete but in imo less interesting ways. like they're playing with toy swords instead or something.

DwnWthVwls · 03-08-2015, 07:50 PM

Not really, but I haven't heard much of his stuff outside his radio hits. If you wanna give me some examples of songs.

~~James~~ · 03-08-2015, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

why is bragging about being rich less vain/fake than bragging about being tough? what's wrong with asserting masculinity as a virtue these days?

I think views on gender and sexuality have changed massively over the last few years. It's a lot more progressive now. Bragging about being rich is directly associated with bragging about being successful, which is always going to exist. Selling all those records, making that much of an impact - they're achievements worth bragging about. Being a tough male is not.

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

but you say you don't like macho posturing
do you see any macho posturing in this song?
and if so then why do you like it when they go hard?

Dude, I like hip-hop. I enjoy things for more than just their lyrical content, and if I disregarded everything that featured macho bull**** I'd be disregarding loads of good stuff. You can enjoy something while still identifying it as problematic.

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

see, as an approach to life in general i think it is better to rise above the instinctual obsession with trying to be alpha and all that ****. not necessarily squash it entirely cause it still serves a sort of function but don't dwell on it or let it
become some sort of identity issue. but in terms of art, i like to see the gladiators boast and clash. that is the true spirit of hip hop to me. trying to remove it just leaves you with an empty shell of the original idea where gladiators still compete but in imo less interesting ways. like they're playing with toy swords instead or something.

I don't think we'll ever agree on this, if this is really what you think. Music can stray from its original idea. God forbid only listening to rock music that deals with the same subject matter that it did at its conception. I like it when genres evolve and adapt, both musically and socially.

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Not really, but I haven't heard much of his stuff outside his radio hits. If you wanna give me some examples of songs.

Two of my favourites.

DwnWthVwls · 03-08-2015, 08:14 PM

Okay, I can see how you consider that posturing. Those two songs are a lil different from his radio jams. I still think he's awful though.

Thanks James.

~~James~~ · 03-08-2015, 08:15 PM

One of these days you'll all realise you're wrong about Drake. I live for that day.

DwnWthVwls · 03-08-2015, 08:17 PM

I get the appeal, I just like most hiphop with a heavy focus on creative wordplay or social-political lyricism.

~~James~~ · 03-08-2015, 08:19 PM

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I get the appeal, I just like my most hiphop with a heavy focus on creative wordplay or social-political lyricism.

I understand that. I enjoy that too. Then I also enjoy the extremely personal and soul searching side of it, which Drake does incredibly well. I just love the production on these records too.

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