Can/ which current MC's can become legends?

DwnWthVwls · 03-01-2015, 11:43 AM

So? You can tell yourself that as many times as you want, I don't even disagree. It's still completely irrelevant.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-01-2015, 11:50 AM

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 03-01-2015, 07:25 PM

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How has he made a big impact on Hip Hop musically?

honestly i feel like anything i would write in response to this question is covered in this post:

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i would argue jay's impact is much more noticeable than kanye's. i'm really curious to hear people's opinions on how it is kanye has impacted rap music beyond making a name for himself. kanye is probably on equal footing in terms of his celebrity status... but as far as hip hop goes jay sort of carried the torch after biggie died and influenced a whole new generation of 'drug lord' persona rappers with crossover pop appeal. wayne was probably the biggest and most notable one, and he clearly takes after jay-z and cites him as his favorite rapper. but you also have young jeezy/rick ross/gucci mane/[insert trap oriented rapper here]... i'm sure most of you probably see this as a bad impact and i'd partially agree but it is a pretty noticable impact nonetheless

and tbh i think biggie is probably the most influential rapper of the last 20 or so years for this very reason.. arguably the most influential rapper since rakim imo

also there was the jay/nas beef which was easily the biggest hip hop beef since the east/west fued and at least partially gave a sort of resurgence to nas's career

not to mention jay put kanye on the map and thus is partially responsible for his impact as well

edit - also, i like em and i could honestly see why people would say he's better than jay but i honestly disagree. i'm in the minority in this opinion on here, i'm sure. to me, reasonable doubt alone > anything eminem has ever done. either way i don't think kanye should be mentioned in the same sentence as either of them in terms of rap skill. even wayne is miles ahead of kanye imo and he gets hated on relentlessly by internet fans who at the same time give the nod to kanye... i will never understand it

TheMainMan · 03-01-2015, 09:43 PM

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Wrong about what?

i thought u were talking about lil wayne for some reason

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-02-2015, 04:39 PM

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honestly i feel like anything i would write in response to this question is covered in this post:

I disagree with this. I don't think he carried the torch after biggie. I think the media gave him a platform that he did not really deserve. Artistically he has not carried any torch and is making the same music he made in the 90's. Once again, I am confused with this impact that he has allegedly made because there were far more superior rappers in the 90's.

Jay Z is a big star with cross over appeal but he was not the FIRST black rapper to cross over. I would argue rappers like RUN DMC and LL Cool J were among st the first.

Kanye was making beats for Jay way before Kanye was even a solo artist so I would argue that Kanye put Jay on the map because that is the only great thing about Jay'z songs.

Surell · 03-02-2015, 11:11 PM

You wanna hear me keep it really real?

Spoiler for the realest i ever was:

And I stand behind that unless it turns out that he falls way off in terms of his current style.

Surell · 03-02-2015, 11:15 PM

Also this needs no spoilers but Lil B has made about the greatest impact on hip hop both above and underground since Wayne and his people.

Surell · 03-03-2015, 02:47 AM

^ an interesting list to say the least, though i would say that Raekwon and all of the original Wu are essentially canonized already.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 03-03-2015, 05:15 PM

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I disagree with this. I don't think he carried the torch after biggie. I think the media gave him a platform that he did not really deserve. Artistically he has not carried any torch and is making the same music he made in the 90's. Once again, I am confused with this impact that he has allegedly made because there were far more superior rappers in the 90's.

it sounds like you're saying "i don't think he's that great therefore he hasn't made an impact." honestly, it's not about how much you like his music. i don't care for ll cool j's music but i will easily recognize the impact he made. and i would say you're wrong when you say he's been making the same music since the 90's... he raps about a lot of the same content but that's about it.

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Jay Z is a big star with cross over appeal but he was not the FIRST black rapper to cross over. I would argue rappers like RUN DMC and LL Cool J were among st the first.

i didn't say his impact was being the first black rapper with cross over appeal. ll cool j and run dmc don't even make remotely the same kind of music that jay-z does imo.

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Kanye was making beats for Jay way before Kanye was even a solo artist so I would argue that Kanye put Jay on the map because that is the only great thing about Jay'z songs.

jay-z had a name before kanye produced anything for him. kanye became known primarily because of his production on later jay-z albums. and then jay used his star appeal to help market kanye. so yea... gonna have to disagree with you there.

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