Can/ which current MC's can become legends?

DwnWthVwls · 02-28-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

Kanye's lyrics on the album are "mindless" and it lacks a message. Please explain how this is better than 7 theory which I consider one of the greatest rap albums ever made.

Production is not everything in terms of music. For me, there has to be some type of message in the music or meaningfulness which Yeezus lacks.

Because Pac and Biggie are dead and times have changed.

**Frownland** · 02-28-2015, 10:32 AM

Kanye's a terrible emcee. His production made up for a lot of that once I learned to ignore him a little bit, there's a lot of texture. Tupac never had that and I'm not a fan of his emceeing, sorry about that. It's cool if you dig him though.

Underground legends: dälek

Love their collab with Faust.

~~Soulflower~~ · 02-28-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Kanye's a terrible emcee. His production made up for a lot of that once I learned to ignore him a little bit, there's a lot of texture. Tupac never had that and I'm not a fan of his emceeing, sorry about that. It's cool if you dig him though.
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Once again production is not the defining end all be all that measures the quality of an album. Sometimes it is often used as a distraction which in this case I think Kanye was aiming towards. The lyrics on Yeezus album are empty and are very derogatory. I think it is almost laughable you think that album is better than anything 2pac has ever done.

**Frownland** · 02-28-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

Once again production is not the defining end all be all that measures the quality of an album. Sometimes it is often used as a distraction which in this case I think Kanye was aiming towards. The lyrics on Yeezus album are empty and are very derogatory. I think it is almost laughable you think that album is better than anything 2pac has ever done.

So? I think that in Yeezus's case, the production is the best part which is why I like the album so much. Who cares about defining it on all qualities of whatever odd set of standards you have? I like hip hop with great production and Yeezus is an example of that. I don't care if it's a distraction, it's what gets me about the album. I don't like the production on Tupac's music to be entirely honest, should I degrade you for only considering Tupac great because of his emceeing styles? The production is just a distraction, after all.

Sometimes people have different opinions about music or how they enjoy music than you, sorry to break this fact to you. It really comes down to personal preference and it seems like you have a hard time understanding my side in this case even though I'm explaining it to you.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 02-28-2015, 11:13 AM

Kanye hasn't got close to Me Against The World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96LqAdngoCs

~~Cuthbert~~ · 02-28-2015, 11:30 AM

I would agree Pac's production wasn't that great. Should have hooked up with Dre a lot earlier really. If Dre did an album for him like he did for Snoop that would've been 5*

Most of the 2Pac stuff I like is cos of what he's saying though, even if the beats aren't as polished or the rhymes aren't as tight.

~~James~~ · 02-28-2015, 02:49 PM

Interesting article that covers this subject- Who Is Hip-Hop

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 02-28-2015, 06:25 PM

i guess i'm gonna have to give yeezus a serious listen. to be fair i haven't really looked into it much since ive never really taken to kanye in general. i mean i don't dislike his music but it was always sort of so-so to me. my twisted dark fantasy was the closest he came to making me like him and i really only liked a few songs on there and mostly for the beats and featured rappers.

but all that aside i think you guys sort of brush 2pac aside too easily. he was probably one of the most dedicated artists to ever do it... listening to his last 3 albums is like listening to him literally going over the edge at an increasing speed, flirting with his own demise.

DwnWthVwls · 03-01-2015, 10:28 AM

You don't have to DO anything. He's known world wide and associated with the industry. He doesn't have to contribute, innovate, invent.. He makes music that sells and is a powerhouse businessman, it doesn't really matter if he improved rap music, his name sells.

Kinda like how Dr. Oz is probably not the greatest doctor the world has ever seen.. but guess what? He made a name for himself and will be considered more relevant/significant to the general populous. That's just how it works.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-01-2015, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

You don't have to DO anything. He's known world wide and associated with the industry. He doesn't have to contribute, innovate, invent.. He makes music that sells and is a powerhouse businessman, it doesn't really matter if he improved rap music, his name sells.

Kinda like how Dr. Oz is probably not the greatest doctor the world has ever seen.. but guess what? He made a name for himself and will be considered more relevant/significant to the general populous. That's just how it works.

But his brand really has nothing to do with Hip Hop specifically.

He is not using his brand to enhance hip hop.

02-28-2015, 10:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Kanye's a terrible emcee. His production made up for a lot of that once I learned to ignore him a little bit, there's a lot of texture. Tupac never had that and I'm not a fan of his emceeing, sorry about that. It's cool if you dig him though. Underground legends: dälek Love their collab with Faust. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Kanye hasn't got close to Me Against The World. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96LqAdngoCs

02-28-2015, 11:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	I would agree Pac's production wasn't that great. Should have hooked up with Dre a lot earlier really. If Dre did an album for him like he did for Snoop that would've been 5* Most of the 2Pac stuff I like is cos of what he's saying though, even if the beats aren't as polished or the rhymes aren't as tight.

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~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	Interesting article that covers this subject- Who Is Hip-Hop

02-28-2015, 06:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	i guess i'm gonna have to give yeezus a serious listen. to be fair i haven't really looked into it much since ive never really taken to kanye in general. i mean i don't dislike his music but it was always sort of so-so to me. my twisted dark fantasy was the closest he came to making me like him and i really only liked a few songs on there and mostly for the beats and featured rappers. but all that aside i think you guys sort of brush 2pac aside too easily. he was probably one of the most dedicated artists to ever do it... listening to his last 3 albums is like listening to him literally going over the edge at an increasing speed, flirting with his own demise.