can someone explain to me again why grime isn't rap?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-18-2014, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i'm not denying any of this history.. it's not like i'm saying it's not a distinct style but that seems like all it is to me, not a brand new genre that doesn't have its basis in the previous 30 years of american hip hop.

Could you not apply this to most genres? Including Hip-Hop.

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but let me ask you something... is that video an example of "garage"? if so then that vocal style sounds like it was taken from rap as well. i can show u krs tracks where the vocals sound similar to that from 1980 something lol.

No.

& KRS is of Jamaican origin, he was probably influenced by toasting himself like these guys were.

I'm not denying the MC's were influenced by the Americans & Hip-Hop because they clearly were but I've made a point that I'm not talking about the MC's, I don't care about them, they don't make the genre, the Grime producers do. The MC's just vocal whatever is 'in'. That's why they've all fucked off to make Trap now.

When I say Grime, I am referring to the instrumental side which is a legitimate genre in it's own right. You're probably referring to the whole 'scene'. I'd say it's London/UK accented Hip-Hop to a certain extent.

But in terms of the genre, if you think Grime is Rap, by default you should think Dubstep is also.

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once again rap is a common term for hip hop music i dunno why people get so caught up with that.

"Rap is something you do, Hip-Hop is something you live" - KRS-One.

Lauryn Hill's first record is considered to be Hip-Hop but there is next to no rapping on it. Same for the Incredible Bongo Band's 'Apache'.

Linkin Park's 'In The End' has rapping on it but it is not a Hip-Hop record.

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i have heard for example dizzee rascal's first album and people say its grime. basically to me it sounds like rap music from another region.

There is Hip-Hop on it, Fix Up Look Sharp for example.

It's 90% Grime though.