Ninetales

lol ok bud

The Batlord

You're totally that guy.

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Ninetales

batlord says something wrong, proceeds to blame others for calling him out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Batlord

For what? Using a common term for drone metal? And since I'm assuming you know what drone metal is, and have heard it called drone before, then you were just being a know-it-all d-bag.

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Ninetales

dude I listen to tons of drone, so no, I don't use the term interchangeably with drone metal nor have I ever heard it used that way.

Frownland

Drone=/=drone metal. La Monte Young invented drone. Of course Indian music has a heavy drone element so it's a lot older than that too.

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Janszoon

Also native Australian music.

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Cuthbert

Yeah think we agree in general tbh.

British people do the same as you in thinking that British 'rapping' music from a certain place or time, is Grime.

Goofle asked if it matters on page one.

For me it does to an extent.

It doesn't matter in terms of good music or bad music. I enjoy for example Dot Rotten's earlier CD's even though they are very Hip-Hop sounding. But I am fed up of tuning into pirate radio and live sets, expecting Grime, only to have the DJ play Trap music. I like Grime in my Grime sets. Weird, I know.

Those 'This is UK Grime' CD compilations annoy me as well.

John Wilkes Booth

some more thoughts after thinking about it a bit...

really like you said people call that lauryn hill **** 'hip hop' but they wouldn't call it rap i don't think. but they would easily call wu tang rap. so maybe hip hop and rap aren't one in the same actually. here's how i basically see it after thinking about it and keeping in mind what krs was getting at.

he was probably talking about the whole 'hip hop is a culture' angle... where it included break dancing and graffiti as part of the movement too. which is how it started. but hip hop music is usually just a rapper going over beats. but then again they call that lauryn hill **** hip hop, and that dj shadow **** hip hop. but that's not rap music. so i guess hip hop (or grime) is the sound. rap is just music where dude is just rapping over a beat. regardless of whether its hip hop or grime. so i'd still call that dizzee rascal **** rap. and i'll say it's grime too cause of the beat. so it's rap but not hip hop. but like that other **** you sent me with no rap vocals is obviously not rap. i dunno this might sound confusing but it makes sense to me lol.

ThePhronetic

A generalized difference between rap and hip hop would be the emphasis on and style of the instrumental. Those heavily influenced by jazz, blues, r&b, and other black musical traditions could be labeled "hip hop". Those songs shying away from concrete elements of the listed genres are often labeled "rap". Just an observation.