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Old 12-18-2014, 10:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i'm not denying any of this history.. it's not like i'm saying it's not a distinct style but that seems like all it is to me, not a brand new genre that doesn't have its basis in the previous 30 years of american hip hop.
Could you not apply this to most genres? Including Hip-Hop.

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but let me ask you something... is that video an example of "garage"? if so then that vocal style sounds like it was taken from rap as well. i can show u krs tracks where the vocals sound similar to that from 1980 something lol.
No.

& KRS is of Jamaican origin, he was probably influenced by toasting himself like these guys were.

I'm not denying the MC's were influenced by the Americans & Hip-Hop because they clearly were but I've made a point that I'm not talking about the MC's, I don't care about them, they don't make the genre, the Grime producers do. The MC's just vocal whatever is 'in'. That's why they've all fucked off to make Trap now.

When I say Grime, I am referring to the instrumental side which is a legitimate genre in it's own right. You're probably referring to the whole 'scene'. I'd say it's London/UK accented Hip-Hop to a certain extent.

But in terms of the genre, if you think Grime is Rap, by default you should think Dubstep is also.

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once again rap is a common term for hip hop music i dunno why people get so caught up with that.
"Rap is something you do, Hip-Hop is something you live" - KRS-One.

Lauryn Hill's first record is considered to be Hip-Hop but there is next to no rapping on it. Same for the Incredible Bongo Band's 'Apache'.

Linkin Park's 'In The End' has rapping on it but it is not a Hip-Hop record.

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i have heard for example dizzee rascal's first album and people say its grime. basically to me it sounds like rap music from another region.
There is Hip-Hop on it, Fix Up Look Sharp for example.

It's 90% Grime though.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
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it seems like any spoken word/non-melodic vocals is the same as rap to you. i'm not denying the influence but ultimately rapping is distinct from spoken word and rapping over chopped up beats is something that hip hop introduced to the world as far as i can tell.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:46 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Could you not apply this to most genres? Including Hip-Hop.
yea all genres have their influence... i'm saying the format of dude rapping over a beat was what defined hip hop and as far as i know grime is the only other 'genre' so far to have the same exact format.



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& KRS is of Jamaican origin, he was probably influenced by toasting himself like these guys were.

I'm not denying the MC's were influenced by the Americans & Hip-Hop because they clearly were but I've made a point that I'm not talking about the MC's, I don't care about them, they don't make the genre, the Grime producers do. The MC's just vocal whatever is 'in'. That's why they've all fucked off to make Trap now.

When I say Grime, I am referring to the instrumental side which is a legitimate genre in it's own right. You're probably referring to the whole 'scene'. I'd say it's London/UK accented Hip-Hop to a certain extent.

But in terms of the genre, if you think Grime is Rap, by default you should think Dubstep is also.
alright, fair enough. i hadnt considered that people only listen to it for the beats.



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"Rap is something you do, Hip-Hop is something you live" - KRS-One.
do i have to dig up a quote of a rapper referring to hip hop music as rap to refute this or are you willing to just let this semantics point drop?

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Lauryn Hill's first record is considered to be Hip-Hop but there is next to no rapping on it. Same for the Incredible Bongo Band's 'Apache'.
yea there are some weird exceptions/extensions of the genre that really don't seem to fit but overall my point stands.

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Linkin Park's 'In The End' has rapping on it but it is not a Hip-Hop record.
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There is Hip-Hop on it, Fix Up Look Sharp for example.

It's 90% Grime though.
i suppose i don't really hear the difference since hip hop has a variety of sounds to it. i'm just wondering how different you have to make a beat before it stops being considered hip hop. like i can think of underground american rap aritsts that sound less similar to most rap music than dizzee rascal does.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:11 PM   #34 (permalink)
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alright, fair enough. i hadnt considered that people only listen to it for the beats.
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do i have to dig up a quote of a rapper referring to hip hop music as rap to refute this or are you willing to just let this semantics point drop?
It wouldn't refute anything but post away.
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right so they didn't invent drone
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drones been around since the 60s. read a book
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Edit: And I was clearly talking about drone metal. Don't be that guy.
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