can someone explain to me again why grime isn't rap?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-18-2014, 01:25 PM

random british people on youtube seem to care. and i agree about 'styles.' that's how i see grime too but i am really not as familiar with it. it just seems like they're pretending they invented something new when really they just tweaked rap music just like every other region that has embraced it.

Ninetales · 12-18-2014, 05:11 PM

Rap isn't a genre tho right? Grime and hip hop (if that's what you mean?) are different, I believe. Grime has its roots in garage and dnb while hip hop is more derived from funk, disco, etc. They both involve rapping. Atleast that's how ive come to understand it.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-18-2014, 05:24 PM

I've always thought that hip hop was a derivative of soul and funk because that was the primary 'black music' in the U.S. in the 60s & 70s whereas grime is more a derivative of dancehall & reggae which was the primary 'black music' in the UK around the same time.
Both have elements of all of them but I think the primary influences are the main difference.

If that makes any sense.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-18-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I've always thought that hip hop was a derivative of soul and funk because that was the primary 'black music' in the U.S. in the 60s & 70s whereas grime is more a derivative of dancehall & reggae which was the primary 'black music' in the UK around the same time.
Both have elements of all of them but I think the primary influences are the main difference.

If that makes any sense.

i see it as grime being a derivative of rap music really with the influence of the dancehall/dnb/garage/whateverthe**** showing up in the production. i'm just saying that rap is regional even in the states yet it only ever became a different genre in england

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-18-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i see it as grime being a derivative of rap music really with the influence of the dancehall/dnb/garage/whateverthe**** showing up in the production. i'm just saying that rap is regional even in the states yet it only ever became a different genre in england

I'd say it was the opposite way around.
To me it's dancehall/dnb/garage/whateverthe**** that are the primary influences with a small hip hop influence.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-18-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I'd say it was the opposite way around.
To me it's dancehall/dnb/garage/whateverthe**** that are the primary influences with a small hip hop influence.

really... i just don't see that. like the whole format of hip hop is basically just a guy rapping over a beat... thats what sets it aside from every other form of music. and that's basically what grime is they just derive their beats from different music like you said.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-18-2014, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

really... i just don't see that. like the whole format of hip hop is basically just a guy rapping over a beat... thats what sets it aside from every other form of music. and that's basically what grime is they just derive their beats from different music like you said.

That's like saying Metal & Punk are the same thing because they both use distorted guitar riffs.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-18-2014, 05:34 PM

@ ninetales rap music and hip hip are one in the same. that's just semantics. i'm sure you've heard it used in that way before.

can you expand on the "grime has its roots in garage and dnb" part cause i've seen that said before sure but beyond drawing from different samples and making different sounding beats i really don't see the difference besides the fact that grime artists happen to be british.

Ninetales · 12-18-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

@ ninetales rap music and hip hip are one in the same. that's just semantics. i'm sure you've heard it used in that way before.

can you expand on the "grime has its roots in garage and dnb" part cause i've seen that said before sure but beyond drawing from different samples and making different sounding beats i really don't see the difference besides the fact that grime artists happen to be british.

well rap is just the vocal style of hip hop and grime. Besides that they aren't really similar. like you said the beats are completely different. if you take away the vocals of both they don't really sound alike.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-18-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

well rap is just the vocal style of hip hop and grime. Besides that they aren't really similar. like you said the beats are completely different. if you take away the vocals of both they don't really sound alike.

man if you take away the vocals 2 random rap songs from 2 different eras/regions/scenes wont sound alike either.

12-18-2014, 05:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	I've always thought that hip hop was a derivative of soul and funk because that was the primary 'black music' in the U.S. in the 60s & 70s whereas grime is more a derivative of dancehall & reggae which was the primary 'black music' in the UK around the same time. Both have elements of all of them but I think the primary influences are the main difference. If that makes any sense. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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12-18-2014, 01:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	random british people on youtube seem to care. and i agree about 'styles.' that's how i see grime too but i am really not as familiar with it. it just seems like they're pretending they invented something new when really they just tweaked rap music just like every other region that has embraced it.

12-18-2014, 05:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	Rap isn't a genre tho right? Grime and hip hop (if that's what you mean?) are different, I believe. Grime has its roots in garage and dnb while hip hop is more derived from funk, disco, etc. They both involve rapping. Atleast that's how ive come to understand it.

12-18-2014, 05:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	@ ninetales rap music and hip hip are one in the same. that's just semantics. i'm sure you've heard it used in that way before. can you expand on the "grime has its roots in garage and dnb" part cause i've seen that said before sure but beyond drawing from different samples and making different sounding beats i really don't see the difference besides the fact that grime artists happen to be british.