Is rap considered music?

Machine · 12-11-2014, 07:34 PM

So part of your main argument let me get this straight you don't believe the beats are music? Before I go on I need to ask why?

Machine · 12-12-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blanche_Minim

The beats are considered music in a sense, but it's not my type of music. The rapping is not. My observation when I was a teenager is that it is just a person yapping nonsense on a mic.

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Ha well alrighty then so first off by saying beats are music you contradicted yourself. Secondly in what world is just mindless yapping, I don't know what rap you have listened to but it's very different than what I do. Many rapper s are very socially conscious and in my opinion the wordplay from people like Aesop Rock and MF DOOM are nearly unbeatable and completely have the right to be called poetry.

~~Blanche_Minim~~ · 12-12-2014, 12:46 PM

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Ha well alrighty then so first off by saying beats are music you contradicted yourself. Secondly in what world is just mindless yapping, I don't know what rap you have listened to but it's very different than what I do. Many rapper s are very socially conscious and in my opinion the wordplay from people like Aesop Rock and MF DOOM are nearly unbeatable and completely have the right to be called poetry.

The beats (I'm not talking about the rhythmic drum beats) has harmony in it. I am also into Gospel Music and I regularly go to fat chords.com to learn some PHAT chords.

I did not mention hip-hop or R&B if you notice. I am talking about the rapping. I read a lot of write-ups and I have it written down in my Evernote. I don't consider rap to be poetry (even if they talk about politics) and I don't think their lyrics will get published in any form in the future. I read better write-ups than in rap. However, there was one rapper where I was impressed by his rhymes, his name is Akil Dasan. I was just impressed by him because he was playing funk and jazz on his guitar and he was beat boxing and rapping at the same time. He also breakdances. That was the only time I got impressed by hip-hop and then this 50cent and all throngs of rappers showed up. Talking about pimps and money. I got turned off by rap. How can you consider that art?

I think the song by Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower, I feel that it has some lyrics that talk about the political situation now and it was made many years ago.

Machine · 12-12-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanche_Minim

The beats (I'm not talking about the rhythmic drum beats) has harmony in it. I am also into Gospel Music and I regularly go to fat chords.com to learn some PHAT chords.

I did not mention hip-hop or R&B if you notice. I am talking about the rapping. I read a lot of write-ups and I have it written down in my Evernote. I don't consider rap to be poetry (even if they talk about politics) and I don't think their lyrics will get published in any form in the future. I read better write-ups than in rap. However, there was one rapper where I was impressed by his rhymes, his name is Akil Dasan. I was just impressed by him because he was playing funk and jazz on his guitar and he was beat boxing and rapping at the same time. He also breakdances. That was the only time I got impressed by hip-hop and then this 50cent and all throngs of rappers showed up. Talking about pimps and money. I got turned off by rap. How can you consider that art?

I think the song by Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower, I feel that it has some lyrics that talk about the political situation now and it was made many years ago.

I'm not talking about 50Cent or any of that ****, not to day what they do isn't art it'd just art I don't find appealing. Well it's obvious you're way to far gone, but to disregard rapping as music is and I know they there is no bad opinion well you broke that rule it seems.

Also I forgot to mention this but how in the hell do you consider nu-metal music that you enjoy that's based around hip-hop and rap mixed with hard rock and metal.

~~Blanche_Minim~~ · 12-12-2014, 01:39 PM

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I'm not talking about 50Cent or any of that ****, not to day what they do isn't art it'd just art I don't find appealing. Well it's obvious you're way to far gone, but to disregard rapping as music is and I know they there is no bad opinion well you broke that rule it seems.

Also I forgot to mention this but how in the hell do you consider nu-metal music that you enjoy that's based around hip-hop and rap mixed with hard rock and metal.

When I was younger, I liked Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit. Yes there is rapping, but I liked something else in nu-metal. Those mega-distorted, d-tuned, power chords, I really liked it. Wes Borland was like my favorite guitarist at that time.

Today, I am listening to Evanescence more in Nu-Metal, but right now I recently downloaded an old Carpenters album called Offering/Ticket to Ride. I love the album and that's what I'm into right now. When it goes back to normal, I'll be listening to my rock, death metal, jazz, and film music.

When it comes to Classical Music, I enjoy listening to Debussy and other French Impressionist Composers. I know if you call these individuals Impressionists they'll tell me to "f-*** off", but that's the best way of describing them. I like the sound more than the Russian and German sound. Sorry to offend the Wagner and Beethoven fans. I like them as well, but the French Composers are top on my list.

**Janszoon** · 12-12-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanche_Minim

I think the song by Jimi Hendrix - All Along the Watchtower, I feel that it has some lyrics that talk about the political situation now and it was made many years ago.

Does the fact that that song was actually written by Bob Dylan mean that Jimi Hendrix's version isn't considered music?

DeadChannel · 12-11-2014, 10:31 PM

When you see a movie that you dislike, would you say "this isn't a movie"?
When you don't like a novel, do you say "this isn't a book"?

No, you don't, because that would be insane.
So, then, why is it okay to say that X isn't music?

You clearly dislike hip hop, which is fine, but that doesn't make it not music. That's delusional.

Also, you can get a lot more removed from what is traditionally considered music than hip hop.

Thelonious Monkey · 12-11-2014, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

When you see a movie that you dislike, would you say "this isn't a movie"?
When you don't like a novel, do you say "this isn't a book"?

No, you don't, because that would be insane.
So, then, why is it okay to say that X isn't music?

You clearly dislike hip hop, which is fine, but that doesn't make it not music. That's delusional.

Also, you can get a lot more removed from what is traditionally considered music than hip hop.

That's a really good point you bring up. On the subject of what isn't or is music, would YOU consider this music?

People (frownland) consider it to be, but I will never understand why. I consider it art, but not music. But I'm curious as to what you have to say, since your a fairly new member, and you bring up some good points.

DeadChannel · 12-12-2014, 12:15 AM

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That's a really good point you bring up. On the subject of what isn't or is music, would YOU consider this music?

People (frownland) consider it to be, but I will never understand why. I consider it art, but not music. But I'm curious as to what you have to say, since your a fairly new member, and you bring up some good points.

I'm not sure, but I'll have to give it some thought. It was created with musical intent, which is usually enough for me, but this is a bit different.

I suppose that this is about the variations on how a given listener perceives it, which is interesting.

If I had a book filled with blank pages, I would still call it a book, but I would be referring to the object. I'm not sure if I would consider it literature. However, a book can't really ever be blank, can it? It will always have small imperfections in the paper. That's similar to the "silence" in 4'33

I'll try another example. Suppose I make a film of solid black for a given amount of time. There are little scratches and imperfections in the print of the film. This is the same as well, is it not?

So, that was a long winded way of saying that I don't really know. I'm not closed to the idea of it being music, though.

The Batlord · 12-12-2014, 12:27 AM

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So, that was a long winded way of saying that I don't really know. I'm not closed to the idea of it being music, though.

Are you not closed to the idea because you're honestly open to it? Or do you just not want people artier than you to think you're a Philistine? Come on. You know it isn't music. Admit it. Come oooooon.

12-11-2014, 07:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Machine moon lake inc. Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Detroit Posts: 2,125	So part of your main argument let me get this straight you don't believe the beats are music? Before I go on I need to ask why? __________________ boost my ego listen to me stroke my delay pedal ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither.

12-11-2014, 10:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
DeadChannel Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 1,259	When you see a movie that you dislike, would you say "this isn't a movie"? When you don't like a novel, do you say "this isn't a book"? No, you don't, because that would be insane. So, then, why is it okay to say that X isn't music? You clearly dislike hip hop, which is fine, but that doesn't make it not music. That's delusional. Also, you can get a lot more removed from what is traditionally considered music than hip hop.