Why is modern Hip-Hop music, aswell as mainstream pop so hated by people?

djchameleon · 08-25-2014, 10:54 PM

Along with them whining about the newest not music. They also put on expiration date on the style saying that it is a new fad that won't last and will be going away soon. The same argument that people use whenever a new genre/sub genre pops up that they don't like.

DwnWthVwls · 08-25-2014, 10:59 PM

Thanks, Frown. Interesting history there. So much for my claims.

wedoitfortheloveofmusic · 09-17-2014, 08:55 PM

The best way to put it...internet gangsters. The internet has given every tom, dick, and harry a platform to voice their opinion. This is a great thing of course but the downside to that is...every tom, dick, and harry has a platform to voice their opinion and a lot of it is ignorant shat...unfortunately. Like some of the other guys said, it's an opinion. Weed through the bs. If your interested in comment look for the ones that actually offer some value.

singasong · 09-24-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

This. Never scroll down on a YouTube vid. It never ends well.

lol exactly.

Good alert for "BE AWARE OF SCROLLING DOWN" is video views. More views, the more stupid kids are sitting down there with uncensored comments.

greatbernard · 09-27-2014, 10:31 AM

Youtube is a cesspool for idiots and its not a fair representation of people overall.

Modern hiphop is hated because of nostalgia bias. They're forgetting that the 90's and 80's had lots of novelty acts and one-hit wonders that didn't work out well either.

And that most rappers back then rapped about weed and sex as well.

William_the_Bloody · 09-27-2014, 12:57 PM

Sigh I'm in a writing mood. Personally I just think hip hop/rap has run its course as a commercial entity much like disco in the 70's and heavy metal in the 80's. They all started off as cool authentic forms of music, and then became soulless corporate pap, though I love disco to its end.

Hip Hop/Rap

Culturally:

The argument here of course is that the genre is riddled with shallow douche bags who rap about bitches, hoes, and bling. Yes this has always been a feature of gangster rap, but at least back then it had a sense of authenticity to it, it was fresh new & seen as a danger to middle class white America, though ironically it most likely negatively affected African American communities on a whole. (AKA the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton argument)

The problem with a music that becomes mass produced is that it becomes marketable to the lowest common denominator. There is nothing worse than seeing a kid act like a gangster in the Ford Mustang his daddy bought him.

Musically:

I think this is the primary reason why rap/hip hop is dying myself, and wonder if it will be able to survive as a cultural entity in the neighborhoods it originated in.

The death blow of course is the skyrocketing costs of sampling.

Rap music as an art form was always based around sampling a cool beat and looping it, but as young and upcoming rap artists can no longer afford to do this, more and more rappers are forced to create digitized techno beats, and because most do not know how to play the synth, it sounds horrible!!!

In short sampling a beat on average now goes for $10 grand, and if you don't pay up you'll most likely get sued if your a commercial success. That's just one sample. Think about how many samples are on a classic hip hop album like Dr. Dre's The Chronic, no young rapper can afford to do this!

Is Sampling Dying? | SPIN | Music News

Well that's rap now pop.

Mainstream Pop

Culturally:

Although the face of pop music has defiantly changed for the better over the years, in terms of R & B its suffering from the same shallow douche bagginess that has been plaguing commercial hip hop. Know one wants to see a spoiled rich white kid like Miley Cyrus or Justin Beiber swearing on tv and acting like ****ing idiots.

Years ago people accepted the behavior of the likes 2 pac or Axl Rose because they had impoverished upbringings. They were outsiders coming into the mainstream. Now the pop world is filled with well established people acting like douches. If your in an underground music band, its actually cool to be well behaved because its not the mainstream. It was cool when Joe Strummer smashed his guitar, lame when Garth Brooks did it.

Musically:

The biggest issue with pop music today is sampling. Unlike upcoming rappers who can no longer afford to sample, non talent hacks with corporate backing can... and its killing music!

Sampling is a limited art form, because you are relying on the creativity of someone else to give you a pop hit instead of your own talent. The reason why Lady Gaga is so popular, (yes she uses samples to) is because she can actually write and play her own music.

Funny I use to thing sampling was awesome back in the days of Dr Dre & Massive Attack, but now its gotta die!

~~Soulflower~~ · 09-28-2014, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by greatbernard

Youtube is a cesspool for idiots and its not a fair representation of people overall.

Modern hiphop is hated because of nostalgia bias. They're forgetting that the 90's and 80's had lots of novelty acts and one-hit wonders that didn't work out well either.

And that most rappers back then rapped about weed and sex as well.

I don't understand why people always make this argument any time someone constructively criticizes a current artist. We get that every generation had their share of mediocre acts or bubble gum acts but there is an undeniable increase of them in today's mainstream compared to previous decades.

Bone thugs talked about weed and sex too but I would take them over somebody like Lil Wayne or Drake because at least there was some level of artistry behind it.

DwnWthVwls · 09-28-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

I don't understand why Soulflower always makes this argument any time someone constructively criticizes a current artist.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

at least there was some level of artistry behind it.

Blindly discredit those you don't like and everyone you do like is underrated. Every thread you post in.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 09-28-2014, 10:59 PM

For me, it is because it is due to the fact that rap music was originally about the issues of the minorities especially blacks. Of course most people believe that blacks are stupid and it is only confirmed by hip hop music.

Furthermore, corporations have raped the music and have turned into pussy ****ing ass licking train where songs are just about ****ing, ****ing, ****ing, ****ing and ****ing again.

But that is life.

~~Soulflower~~ · 09-29-2014, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Blindly discredit those you don't like and everyone you do like is underrated. Every thread you post in.

I am not discrediting anybody.

I am just simply expressing my opinion and if you disagree with my opinion why not express why instead of complaining about why you don't like my opinion?

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wedoitfortheloveofmusic Groupie Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Miami Posts: 17	The best way to put it...internet gangsters. The internet has given every tom, dick, and harry a platform to voice their opinion. This is a great thing of course but the downside to that is...every tom, dick, and harry has a platform to voice their opinion and a lot of it is ignorant shat...unfortunately. Like some of the other guys said, it's an opinion. Weed through the bs. If your interested in comment look for the ones that actually offer some value.

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greatbernard Groupie Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1	Youtube is a cesspool for idiots and its not a fair representation of people overall. Modern hiphop is hated because of nostalgia bias. They're forgetting that the 90's and 80's had lots of novelty acts and one-hit wonders that didn't work out well either. And that most rappers back then rapped about weed and sex as well.

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William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	Sigh I'm in a writing mood. Personally I just think hip hop/rap has run its course as a commercial entity much like disco in the 70's and heavy metal in the 80's. They all started off as cool authentic forms of music, and then became soulless corporate pap, though I love disco to its end. Hip Hop/Rap Culturally: The argument here of course is that the genre is riddled with shallow douche bags who rap about bitches, hoes, and bling. Yes this has always been a feature of gangster rap, but at least back then it had a sense of authenticity to it, it was fresh new & seen as a danger to middle class white America, though ironically it most likely negatively affected African American communities on a whole. (AKA the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton argument) The problem with a music that becomes mass produced is that it becomes marketable to the lowest common denominator. There is nothing worse than seeing a kid act like a gangster in the Ford Mustang his daddy bought him. Musically: I think this is the primary reason why rap/hip hop is dying myself, and wonder if it will be able to survive as a cultural entity in the neighborhoods it originated in. The death blow of course is the skyrocketing costs of sampling. Rap music as an art form was always based around sampling a cool beat and looping it, but as young and upcoming rap artists can no longer afford to do this, more and more rappers are forced to create digitized techno beats, and because most do not know how to play the synth, it sounds horrible!!! In short sampling a beat on average now goes for $10 grand, and if you don't pay up you'll most likely get sued if your a commercial success. That's just one sample. Think about how many samples are on a classic hip hop album like Dr. Dre's The Chronic, no young rapper can afford to do this! Is Sampling Dying? \| SPIN \| Music News Well that's rap now pop. Mainstream Pop Culturally: Although the face of pop music has defiantly changed for the better over the years, in terms of R & B its suffering from the same shallow douche bagginess that has been plaguing commercial hip hop. Know one wants to see a spoiled rich white kid like Miley Cyrus or Justin Beiber swearing on tv and acting like **ing idiots. Years ago people accepted the behavior of the likes 2 pac or Axl Rose because they had impoverished upbringings. They were outsiders coming into the mainstream. Now the pop world is filled with well established people acting like douches. If your in an underground music band, its actually cool to be well behaved because its not the mainstream. It was cool when Joe Strummer smashed his guitar, lame when Garth Brooks did it. Musically:** The biggest issue with pop music today is sampling. Unlike upcoming rappers who can no longer afford to sample, non talent hacks with corporate backing can... and its killing music! Sampling is a limited art form, because you are relying on the creativity of someone else to give you a pop hit instead of your own talent. The reason why Lady Gaga is so popular, (yes she uses samples to) is because she can actually write and play her own music. Funny I use to thing sampling was awesome back in the days of Dr Dre & Massive Attack, but now its gotta die!