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Forward To Death 02-28-2014 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian Benteke (Post 1421494)
Link me to the post where I said Dizzee was known more worldwide than Ice Cube please.
Link me to the post where I quoted you as saying that Dizzee was known more worldwide than Ice Cube, please. The quote reads "Ice Cube is much, much more popular in the global, overall spectrum" (which he is), and says nothing about the context of your words. I don't see what the problem is here.

All I said was that Ice Cube was and continues to be culturally significant, as evidenced by social media, and I used social media stats to support this.

I questioned whether Dizzee is actually a celebrity, and the only thing you can take from it is that I "don't think he's a household name cos he's not on American telly". Well, no, he doesn't have the social media statistics of the guy who you're saying isn't a household name. By your own logic, he isn't a household name. By my logic, it's questionable whether he is or isn't, as is the case with Ice Cube.

Comprende amigo, or does it need further explanation? I don't think I could break this down any more simply than I already have to be honest.

Soulflower 02-28-2014 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1421488)
Yes, just like you can argue that Adolf Hitler was an honorable, immaculate human being. You can argue anything if you're just going based off of opinion. You can say that because Hitler wasn't a total idiot, and that he once was the most powerful man in the world, that he's a good man. Of course, logic would tell you that the only thing that means is that Hitler was reasonably intelligent, manipulative, and had a good army, armed with the best weapons. He was also responsible for the deaths millions of jews and other innocent people, which I think may trump the argument that he's honorable or immaculate. Just like I think that the fact that Ice Cube is considerably popular on a worldwide scale, was the engineer of what is widely considered to be the pinnacle of gangsta rap, and who had considerable solo success, producing one of the biggest hits of the 1990s, all to widespread critical acclaim, kind of trumps the argument that he's underrated. Then you add on top of that the fact that he's been a successful actor, and continues to sell albums, I'd say he's pretty much established his name in the public eye.
Ice Cube is not an international star. He is not even a household name in the states.

Forward To Death 02-28-2014 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1421498)
Ice Cube is not an international star. He is not even a household name in the states.
Prove it.

Soulflower 02-28-2014 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1421502)
Prove it.

Okay I take some of this back, it is possible he may be known internationally but in some countries and I would not say he is a BIG international star like a rapper like Jay Z who is a household name.

Ice Cube is not a brand. He does some movies here and there and was popular during the late 80's/early 90's but he never really did a major cross over album or venture outside of NWA. He does not really market or sell anything outside of his music either.

For a genre that is predominately geared toward a certain demographic that is essential. Most of the rappers that are household names are brands and have done other ventures outside of their rap music. I do not think it is necessary to be honest but it gives more opportunities to appeal to other people and interests.

Rjinn 02-28-2014 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1421498)
Ice Cube is not an international star.
Yes he is. He's well known in Australia.

Soulflower 02-28-2014 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rjinn (Post 1421527)
Yes he is. He's well known in Australia.
Thanks, I realized that which is why I took back some of what I said. I do not think he is a big international star though

djchameleon 02-28-2014 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1421507)
For a genre that is predominately geared toward a certain demographic that is essential. Most of the rappers that are household names are brands and have done other ventures outside of their rap music. I do not think it is necessary to be honest but it gives more opportunities to appeal to other people and interests.
Well, he produces TV shows, screenwrites, directs, acts in movies, has a clothing line of hoodies with headphones in it. I would call that doing other ventures outside of rap music.

The only thing he isn't doing that most other rappers do is that he hasn't put out his own brand of liquor or opened up a club.

Soulflower 02-28-2014 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1421576)
Well, he produces TV shows, screenwrites, directs, acts in movies, has a clothing line of hoodies with headphones in it. I would call that doing other ventures outside of rap music.

The only thing he isn't doing that most other rappers do is that he hasn't put out his own brand of liquor or opened up a club.

That is true but none of his ventures has had a massive cross over success.

Forward To Death 02-28-2014 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1421578)
That is true but none of his ventures has had a massive cross over success.
Is he underrated musically, or just underrated as a person, or what's the deal here? I thought this was about music. Silly me.

Soulflower 03-01-2014 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1421582)
Is he underrated musically, or just underrated as a person, or what's the deal here? I thought this was about music. Silly me.
DJ was suggesting that he has had other ventures outside of music and I just simply said that might be true but none of those ventures garnered a major cross success for him.

We are talking about music but you are claiming he is this big mega international star and that is simply not true. He needs to have had a major cross over venture whether it be music or other ventures outside of that in order to be a big international star like you were implying.


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