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yeah, this is your opinion. not fact.

Had Kendrick been around in Biggie's time, he would have been the 'icon' instead.
Both Section 8.0 and GKMC eclipse Biggie's two albums in every way.

Arya Stark

It's weird to me that anyone could think that someone could be the best rapper of all time and not think that anyone will ever reach their level.

I'm not in love with Kendrick Lamar, I don't even know if I'm a fan, but I can acknowledge that he's a great rapper. I can compare what he does to hose of the past BECAUSE they're icons and BECAUSE they are what everyone is trying to reach.

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^ but do they have the same impact as Biggies two albums?

When I say he not on Biggie's level, I am specifically talking about IMPACT and ICONIC status. I am not talking about skills because I already established earlier that Kendrick was more talented lyrically and wrote his own music unlike Biggie. So I already mentioned that... not sure why people keep repeating the same thing.

In saying that, it still doesnt change the fact that Kendrick is not an Icon.

I like Kendrick so I am not hating on him lol... I think he is one of the best rappers out now but an Icon he is not.

Objectively, it is a fact.

He hasnt made any iconic classic songs or albums. I never understood the old school acts vs. new school acts comparisions.

They seem unbalance and unfair.

Kendrick is a talented rapper but just because he has talent doesnt mean he deserves to be called "one of the greatest". He hasnt made any music that warrants that title or catagory

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okay, he will only become 'iconic' or his music make an 'impact' as a result of time.
You're trying to say Biggie's better because his music has had time to leave a lasting impression whereas Kendrick dropped Section 8.0 two years ago and GKMC a year ago.
It hasn't had the time to be considered a 'classic' so your argument has no legs for standing on.

Biggie is better because his music has been out for a longer duration. That's pretty much what you're saying faketalk.

Soulflower

lol... Like I said I am Kendrick Lamar fan, I think Good Kid Mad City is one of the dopest rap albums by a mainstream rapper that has been released in a long time and I think Kendrick is clever lyrically.

I have never implied that a new rapper could never reach Iconic status.

I just think that everytime a new artist releases a semi descent album or posseses a little bit more talent than their peers, people go all crazy with calling them an icon, or suggesting they are one of the greatest just because the industry has very little talent.

Good Kid Mad City is a nice album but its not "groundbreaking" like some of his fans make the album out to be.

Soulflower

lol

I technically already acknowleged Kendrick writes his own material which gives him some creative edge over Biggie but also looked at the fact that none of his albums have had the same impact and no you dont necessarily need "time to pass" to have a lasting impact. But he technically hasnt made any groundbreaking music thats made a significant impact. Thats not to say it is never going to happen but as of right now he hasnt.

For example,
The ArchAndroid came out in 2010 and I considered that to be a classic.... but then again Janelle actually set the bar high with that album with the usage of sounds, eclectic genres, artistic themes, lyrics, etc. There hadnt been an artist that released an album on that artistic level in YEARS. Although Kendrick is talented,those Kendrick albums are not that much different from any other album we've heard over the last decade. I think what makes those albums good is the fact that Kendrick is talented and he is clever with his lyrics which is "refreshing" for the mainstream scene.

Seriously, I can pull out Mos Def's 2009 "The Ecstatic" album which I considered to be more daring than any of those Kendrick Lamar albums combined...

But we are going in circles and I see you are obviously taking "what I thought was a fun discussion" personally lol

If you think Kendrick is better than Biggie (which I agreed he is a more talented songwriter), is an icon, makes iconic music, makes groundbreaking music and more Iconic than Biggie... so be it! lol

I'll live!

I just wanted to throw in my 2cents and 6 nickles

Surell

The fact that it's commercial doesn't make me want to respect it anymore. It's not like I'm waiting for socially conscious music to get around to radioplay, that's not what I'm listening to the radio for. I guess I'm just selfish, since anyone who doesn't get deeper into the scene gets a taste of some semi-decent, conscious stuff. I just don't think we should pat him on the back for bringing some halfway OK stuff to the attention of people who wouldn't have paid attention otherwise.

Pertaining to that verse, half of it says nothing, like notes in a journal, and then he brings in an alright little actual story. It's all OK, but just OK. It's either passive or lacking teeth. Basically, I don't see any reason to give a shit.

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Sparky

hmm iunno man it sounds different to me.

I didn't like kenderick for the longest time either but something clicked a couple weeks ago

still don't care for his first record, remember thinking he bit kanye a little too blatantly

Surell

I thought that was Drake's job. Yeah, I remember hearing so much about ADHD but I couldn't dig it for the life of me. Rigamortus was pretty nice, at least for the beat. I've given the whole record at least two listens, though, and from the lyrics to the production I seriously see very little to be excited about. Yes, he's nice on the mic, I can't front on that. But everything else just falls flat. I think he really just gets by on his technique, not really anything else, as much as so many critics might disagree.

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