djchameleon

No problems.

Isn't Wretch's first album Wretchrospective Grime though?

I actually like Giggs slow delivery. It reminds me of Trae the Truth from Texas.

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Cuthbert

It was quite underground in terms of the attention it got, some of the production on it was supplied by producers affiliated with the Grime scene (Maniac and Scorcher) but weren't Grime productions, Maniac for example had a beat on there but the beat itself was a Hip-Hop beat (still an awesome production though):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYgmsCBKmLM

If you compare that (I've actually just listened to Wretch's bars on that, I should give him a little more credit, those bars are insane) ^ to Maniac's normal sound (something like 'Saltfish') then you will see what I mean. Wretch at that time was also heavily involved with 'The Movement' which were/are considered a Grime collective but the actual sound of his music is much closer to Hip-Hop. I wouldn't consider Wretch's music to be Grime or a representation of the sound.

The thing is with English rappers though, regardless of the music they make, people (especially the media) automatically just put them under the Grime umbrella because they're English and they rap, without realising Grime is a genre. Even 'Grime' fans do it lol, check top comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVMCpK6uhOY

As for Giggs, I did actually like Talking the Hardest, but then when I heard him on one of the Westwood sets I didn't like it then never got back into it, and none of the tracks I've heard since did anything for me. For the 'road' style of Rap I think Big H is more interesting (although he does do actual Grime as well) and he's got more variety in his sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyFR-3ZuW_Y

djchameleon

I know that track, Ina di ghetto. I think I posted it in one of the numerous grime threads rolling around here but yeah I can hear the difference with the beat compared to that Maniac track.

Yep I can admit that I would just lump British rap into the Grime category and call it the same thing but it's actually different beat wise, more of a 2-step and breakbeats sound.

This is my first time hearing Big H but I'll look into him and see what else he has to offer.
The verse on this track is the first time I heard of Giggs and after hearing Don't go there and Look over your shoulder that really sealed it for me with liking his flow.

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Cuthbert

Yeah you're right, that's basically it, it's all in the production.

Yeah fair enough he went in there, did you rate any of the other guys? Chipmunk's verse was awful He used to be one of my favourites.

Scarlett O'Hara

Wiley for sure, I've enjoyed his stuff. I used to be quite into Dizzee but not so much anymore.

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