Notorious B.I.G.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-19-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Dude I'll agree that some of the crap inbetween songs can get a lil annoying. Thats not what made Biggie and Pac great though. I think overall it was their ability to tell different storys in ways that wasn't so cliche and mundane like a lot, if not all of todays rap. Biggie was very stylistic in his delivery and overall sound. Most of the dialogue in his raps weren't overly predictable like todays are. To me Pac was the best of ALL time and you can say what you will but Biggie was def top 5 as well. The dispute between the two artists definately contributed to some of the notoriety they recieved, but overall it was their music that payed the most dividends to their fame. To me rap during that era was the best and has never been the same since. Dre, Cube, Pac, Snoop, Biggie my all time top 5.

Gotta disagree with this. Musically he wasn't that great.

joy_circumcision · 01-19-2013, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Gotta disagree with this. Musically he wasn't that great.

Yeah, Biggie took some growing for me (and I still hate the skits) but Pac was nothing but agony every time I tried.

14232949 · 01-19-2013, 08:34 PM

You don't listen to much hip-hop do you?

Biggie and 2Pac were about as clichéd as you could get. Outside of drugs, bitches, beef and guns, what did they really talk about.
Oh yeah each had their embarrassingly bad attempts at creating sentimental emotional songs.
You're under the impression that Ready to Die = Good but 'all of todays rap' = bad. You sound like a generic Youtube comment.
Ready to Die doesn't use samples appropriately, the rapping is boring and uninspired. I've touched on the production. Add that to the tired clichés and failed sense of machoism, there's nothing at all 'great' about that album sans Suicidal Thoughts maybe.

As for your top 5 of all time, that's your opinion but before making sweeping inaccurate generalizations about hip-hop (i.e. all todays hip-hop is bad, which couldn't be further from the truth) why don't you try listening to it first?

Surell · 01-20-2013, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant

You don't listen to much hip-hop do you?

Ah geez.

Anyway, Biggie has lines that dedtroy just about anyone's little puns or wordplay to this day, had one of the most distinctive rhyme scheme patterns recognized to this day, and told some of the most vivid stories heard to this day. "Warning" itself, a barely three minute song (including the closing skit thing) is massive, so loaded with imagery and juicy little details - along with incredibly intricate rhyme schemes - he puts a lot of cats (I'm gonna say Em because I hate him) to shame.

14232949 · 01-20-2013, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell

Ah geez.

Anyway, Biggie has lines that dedtroy just about anyone's little puns or wordplay to this day, had one of the most distinctive rhyme scheme patterns recognized to this day, and told some of the most vivid stories heard to this day. "Warning" itself, a barely three minute song (including the closing skit thing) is massive, so loaded with imagery and juicy little details - along with incredibly intricate rhyme schemes - he puts a lot of cats (I'm gonna say Em because I hate him) to shame.

I could name about 20-30 rappers off the top of my head that are better lyricists than Biggie.
Here's one for you. How can so many people consider Biggie to be one of the greatest of all time based off of two albums?
Nobody talks about Big Pun or Big L who had the same number of albums, one studio album and one posthumous release being the greatest of all time despite the fact they were both superior MC's to Notorious BIG.
As for his imagery, it's all clichéd as I'd already pointed out, just talk about guns, bitches and pretending to be Al Capone.
It doesn't interest me in the slightest.

~~Whiskey~~ · 01-20-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant

I could name about 20-30 rappers off the top of my head that are better lyricists than Biggie.
Here's one for you. How can so many people consider Biggie to be one of the greatest of all time based off of two albums?
Nobody talks about Big Pun or Big L who had the same number of albums, one studio album and one posthumous release being the greatest of all time despite the fact they were both superior MC's to Notorious BIG.
As for his imagery, it's all clichéd as I'd already pointed out, just talk about guns, bitches and pretending to be Al Capone.
It doesn't interest me in the slightest.

You need to realize that all of what you are saying about Biggie is merely your personal opinion and not permanent facts. I didnt create this thread so I can watch drama floating around about Biggie or something like that. If you dont like Biggie's albums then just say so. No need to be dramatic about it.

Personally I like many more rap artists other than Biggie but I was just curious to know if anyone else likes him. He's not a great lyricist but I like some of his songs, particularly Juicy and Everyday Struggle. They actually have good lyrics too.

A lot of people seem not to care much about his second album,which is a pity since its a great 2 disc album with lots of variety in the songs. And its definitely worth checking out since Biggie's discography is quite small anyway.

**Janszoon** · 01-20-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Merrycaaant

I could name about 20-30 rappers off the top of my head that are better lyricists than Biggie.
Here's one for you. How can so many people consider Biggie to be one of the greatest of all time based off of two albums?
Nobody talks about Big Pun or Big L who had the same number of albums, one studio album and one posthumous release being the greatest of all time despite the fact they were both superior MC's to Notorious BIG.
As for his imagery, it's all clichéd as I'd already pointed out, just talk about guns, bitches and pretending to be Al Capone.
It doesn't interest me in the slightest.

I agree with you that Big L and Big Pun are better than Biggie (though I like Biggie too), but I disagree that no one talks about them. Both are pretty well regarded, at least among hip hop fans.

14232949 · 01-20-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree with you that Big L and Big Pun are better than Biggie (though I like Biggie too), but I disagree that no one talks about them. Both are pretty well regarded, at least among hip hop fans.

I suppose I probably meant to say among casual fans. I know most members on here and those who pay attention to hip-hop are aware of them. It's just casual fans seem insistent that Biggie & Pac > everything else for some strange reason.

Surell · 01-21-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

I could name about 20-30 rappers off the top of my head that are better lyricists than Biggie.

I wonder how many of those artists took influence from Biggie himself.

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Here's one for you. How can so many people consider Biggie to be one of the greatest of all time based off of two albums?

Because they're both really really good? Take a guess yourself.

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Nobody talks about Big Pun or Big L who had the same number of albums, one studio album and one posthumous release being the greatest of all time despite the fact they were both superior MC's to Notorious BIG.

Big L was ill, no lie. His rhyme schemes weren't nearly as interesting as BIG's, though, which is a large part of his credentials.

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As for his imagery, it's all clichéd as I'd already pointed out, just talk about guns, bitches and pretending to be Al Capone.
It doesn't interest me in the slightest.

This from the guy who digs "Backseat Freestyle."

Ok, in two minutes Biggie dropped lines like:

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They heard about the Rolex's and the Lexus
wit the Texas license plate outta state
they heard about the pounds
you got down in Georgetown
now they heard you got half of Virginia locked down
they even heard about the crib
you bought your moms out in Florida
the fifth corridor....

Who the **** is this?
pagin me at 5:46 in the mornin crack a dawnin
now I'm yawnin, wipe the cold out my eye

I got the calico with the black talons loaded in the clip
so I can rip through the ligaments

all purpose war got the rottweilers by the door
and I feed em gun powder so they can devour
the criminals tryna to drop my decimals

they even heard about the crib
you bought your moms out in Florida
the fifth corridor....

Even if you don't like what he's talking about, it's still vivid.

Bloozcrooz · 01-19-2013, 08:44 PM

Uhh dude I try to but everything I hear has not appealed to me at all. Its either "yeahhhh boiiiiii" or "whhhaaaattt" and just recycled garbage lyrics and beats. The storys aren't told in a way thats articulate at all and most the beats sound like a tayor swift song chopped and screwed up. Eminem had some stuff I liked but I really cant think of anyone else who I could acknowledge as tolerable. Dont say lil wayne cause every song sounds the same.

But no, I dont listen to much hip hop anymore cause I havent heard anything appealing really for a long time. The occasional old schoolers putting some stuff out and some one hit wonders here and there.

01-19-2013, 08:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	You don't listen to much hip-hop do you? Biggie and 2Pac were about as clichéd as you could get. Outside of drugs, bitches, beef and guns, what did they really talk about. Oh yeah each had their embarrassingly bad attempts at creating sentimental emotional songs. You're under the impression that Ready to Die = Good but 'all of todays rap' = bad. You sound like a generic Youtube comment. Ready to Die doesn't use samples appropriately, the rapping is boring and uninspired. I've touched on the production. Add that to the tired clichés and failed sense of machoism, there's nothing at all 'great' about that album sans Suicidal Thoughts maybe. As for your top 5 of all time, that's your opinion but before making sweeping inaccurate generalizations about hip-hop (i.e. all todays hip-hop is bad, which couldn't be further from the truth) why don't you try listening to it first?