Jay-Z vs. Nas

~~Soulflower~~ · 05-19-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

I disagree. Jay has showed that he is a much better lyricist than Biggie. Just listen to the way he strings metaphors and multisyllable rhymes with ease on his debut. Granted, had Biggie lived, he may have become a better lyricist. On the storytelling tip though, Biggie beats Jay hands down.

How when most of his rhymes he steals from Biggie?

SGR · 05-20-2013, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

How when most of his rhymes he steals from Biggie?

Yeah riiiiight. Jay has released eleven albums, one of which is a double album; Biggie has released two; one of which is a double album, and yet MOST of Jay's rhymes are stolen from Biggie.

14232949 · 05-20-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Yeah riiiiight. Jay has released eleven albums, one of which is a double album; Biggie has released two; one of which is a double album, and yet MOST of Jay's rhymes are stolen from Biggie.

I've tried arguing the exact same point with RealTalk. Yes, Jay has bitten the occasional bar, but to suggest all his material is stolen is nonsense.
I don't know why RealTalk hates Jay-Z so much, think he's just jealous of Jigga's success.

SGR · 05-21-2013, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

I've tried arguing the exact same point with RealTalk. Yes, Jay has bitten the occasional bar, but to suggest all his material is stolen is nonsense.
I don't know why RealTalk hates Jay-Z so much, think he's just jealous of Jigga's success.

Yeah, the statement of his doesn't make much sense but at this point, maybe he's just trying to get a rise out of people. Yeah he does seem to have some sort of personal vendetta against Jay.

technokidz · 05-23-2013, 11:31 AM

I would say Jay Z, although I love Nas also...the message was a KING song

SGR · 05-24-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by technokidz

I would say Jay Z, although I love Nas also...the message was a KING song

I see what you did there...

" There's one life, one love, so there can only be one King"

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 08-16-2013, 08:07 AM

givin the nod to nas by a fair margin here.

nas is a top notch lyrical rapper of all time and im not sure how someone could think otherwise. even on songs i didnt like, notably a lot from nastradamus, i thought lyrically he was still on point.

when i think about the elite level in anything in terms of comparison i think about one person at their best vs the other at their best. nas's best is better than jays best. not that that is the only credential, but its somethin i consider.

i also never really liked jays flow, its soo off beat albeit a lot of times it is supposed to be, but it just doesnt fit or something. i dunno i was never huge on jays flow i think it gets realy choppy at times whereas i think nas flow and rhyme scheme combo is almost always on point

plus i think nas gets more creative. songs like rewind or that song where he is a fetus lol or the distant relatives album with marley.

theres a making of reasonable doubt though on netflix which is a real sick documentary and made me appreciate jay more cause i better understoof some of his songs

djchameleon · 08-16-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 216

theres a making of reasonable doubt though on netflix which is a real sick documentary and made me appreciate jay more cause i better understoof some of his songs

Yeah this might be off topic but I feel the same way about Wale. People call him trash but if they actually understood his songs better they would realize that it's not as light and materialistic as they think.

He has a song called Chains and people don't realize it's about slavery.

SGR · 08-26-2013, 07:03 AM

TBH, Jay has flow over Nas to me. Even when Jay is on some ignant shit, he still is a monster of flow.

Jay is also more charismatic than Nas. Both of them can tell great stories. Jay's discography is easily stronger and more interesting than Nas's discography. And to me, Jay is always good to great with the lyrics. On Vol 2 he dumbed them down but other than that, he's pretty top notch with the lyrics. Just listen to the underrated Vol 3. That was Jay in his rapping prime in my opinion. On albums like Blueprint though, he becomes honest and reflective. There are moments on other albums too though.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-26-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Jay is also more charismatic than Nas. Both of them can tell great stories. Jay's discography is easily stronger and more interesting than Nas's discography.

Illmatic: 5
Lost Tapes: 4.5
It Was Written: 4.5
Stillmatic: 4
Life Is Good: 4
I Am: 3.5
God's Son: 3.5
Untitled: 3.5
Hip-Hop Is Dead: 3
Nastradamus: 3
Street's Disciple: 2

Average: 3.68

Reasonable Doubt: 4.5
The Blueprint: 4
The Black Album: 4
In My Lifetime, Vol. 1: 3.5
American Gangster: 3.5
Vol. 3... The Life and Times of S. Carter: 3
Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life: 3
Kingdom Come: 2.5
Magna Carta Holy Grail: 2
The Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse: 1.5
The Blueprint 3: 1.5

Average: 2.81

05-23-2013, 11:31 AM	#295 (permalink)
technokidz Groupie Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 18	I would say Jay Z, although I love Nas also...the message was a KING song

08-16-2013, 08:07 AM	#297 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	givin the nod to nas by a fair margin here. nas is a top notch lyrical rapper of all time and im not sure how someone could think otherwise. even on songs i didnt like, notably a lot from nastradamus, i thought lyrically he was still on point. when i think about the elite level in anything in terms of comparison i think about one person at their best vs the other at their best. nas's best is better than jays best. not that that is the only credential, but its somethin i consider. i also never really liked jays flow, its soo off beat albeit a lot of times it is supposed to be, but it just doesnt fit or something. i dunno i was never huge on jays flow i think it gets realy choppy at times whereas i think nas flow and rhyme scheme combo is almost always on point plus i think nas gets more creative. songs like rewind or that song where he is a fetus lol or the distant relatives album with marley. theres a making of reasonable doubt though on netflix which is a real sick documentary and made me appreciate jay more cause i better understoof some of his songs

08-26-2013, 07:03 AM	#299 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,327	TBH, Jay has flow over Nas to me. Even when Jay is on some ignant shit, he still is a monster of flow. Jay is also more charismatic than Nas. Both of them can tell great stories. Jay's discography is easily stronger and more interesting than Nas's discography. And to me, Jay is always good to great with the lyrics. On Vol 2 he dumbed them down but other than that, he's pretty top notch with the lyrics. Just listen to the underrated Vol 3. That was Jay in his rapping prime in my opinion. On albums like Blueprint though, he becomes honest and reflective. There are moments on other albums too though.