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Old 12-04-2012, 10:57 PM   #171 (permalink)
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:58 PM   #172 (permalink)
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janz are you seriously unable to see why someone else would like jay z?
Cos they need to feel safe and secure in their musical choices so go for the most popular rapper (and he sells himself well). I know exactly why people like him but disagree with it entirely.

Jay-Z is a fraud.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:02 PM   #173 (permalink)
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janz are you seriously unable to see why someone else would like jay z?
Huh? Obviously people who like him do so because they like the way he does what he does. Is there a point to this question?
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:02 PM   #174 (permalink)
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Totally missing the point there Sparky. The example has nothing to do with LMFAO. Pick any current artist that you find generic and uninteresting as an example and imagine some time in the future when some people consider them one of "the greats". Would you suddenly start considering them great?
I'd rather not try to force myself to imagine into the future. I'd rather try to look back 15 years, and think of artists who were (without any doubt) terrible in my mind and see where they are currently. Names like Lil Wayne, Chris Cornell, and dude those are seriously the only names i can come up with right now and i wouldnt say either is terrible so yeah im contradicting myself

What im saying is any artist who is crap right now isn't going to be relevant 15 years into the future. It' a lame hypothetical. Jay Z is relevant still because he isn't terrible
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:05 PM   #175 (permalink)
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I'd rather not try to force myself to imagine into the future. I'd rather try to look back 15 years, and think of artists who were (without any doubt) terrible in my mind and see where they are currently. Names like Lil Wayne, Chris Cornell, and dude those are seriously the only names i can come up with right now and i wouldnt say either is terrible

What im saying is any artist who is crap right now isn't going to be relevant 15 years into the future. It' a lame hypothetical. Jay Z is relevant still because he isn't terrible
Nice circular argument.

Talk to me in 15 years. I guarantee you'll have a completely different perspective on this.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:06 PM   #176 (permalink)
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This is absolutely true.

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Many MC's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of those.

Totally. Really not a fan of any of the four.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:06 PM   #177 (permalink)
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Nice circular argument.

Talk to me in 15 years. I guarantee you'll have a completely different perspective on this.
I do agree that some artists have managed to remain popular after a long period of time (*cough* Journey, Foreigner, ****ty AOR in general), but I don't see them getting much credit for artists they influence in the future. Are we focusing on influence or lasting popularity? I think they're two different things.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:08 PM   #178 (permalink)
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Huh? Obviously people who like him do so because they like the way he does what he does. Is there a point to this question?
That's my barometer of quality. If i can't for any conceivable reason understand why someone would like this music than i usually am fairly certain it's crappy. To reitterate an earlier point, how much you like it, isn't indicative of how good it is on a general level.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:14 PM   #179 (permalink)
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Nice circular argument.

Talk to me in 15 years. I guarantee you'll have a completely different perspective on this.
Circular argument? I made the same point. You say talk to me in 15 years (again here we are going to the future) and im trying to reflect on my past 15 years of music listening. There is no artist that comes to my head that i hated 15 years ago that still remains very influential. Eddie Vedder had that into the wild sound track but i don't think hes that influential.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:15 PM   #180 (permalink)
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That's my barometer of quality. If i can't for any conceivable reason understand why someone would like this music than i usually am fairly certain it's crappy. To reitterate an earlier point, how much you like it, isn't indicative of how good it is on a general level.
Oh okay then, no music in the world is crappy.
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