MF DOOM or Aesop Rock
 

Not sure if threads like these are frowned upon, or if there is an area to put these in, but basically I wanted to ask the question of you guys.

Who is better? MF DOOM or Aesop Rock

Now, I understand that better is a loose concept, so treat your answers loosely :D

(I have my own opinions on the subject, but wanna hear a few others first because I have exhausted this discussion on Twitter already)

Edit: I am talking about their abilities as a rapper.

My two favourite artists but I give the edge to DOOM. Better producer, flow, voice and rhyme scheme. I like Aesop better as a lyricist though (I love just sitting there trying to sort through what he's trying to get across in his lyrics, although I wonder if I'm interpreting it "right" most of the time). Both are the complete package regardless.

I prefer Doom's beats and Aesop's lyrics.

I understood when there was a debate between DOOM and Del, but I don't see DOOM vs. Aesop to be a valid battle. Apples and oranges. I think Aesop Rock's lyrics and concepts put him as god status for me. DOOM is just, merely, better than most.

I think the fact that they are different is what makes it an interesting discussion. Del and DOOM would become a slightly stale discussion.

I had some guy freak out when I said I think Aesop has better lyrics, content, word play and pacing. DOOM edges him in terms of flow and his voice is probably cooler.

So yeah, Aesop for me, and his beats are pretty great in my view.

Deservedly so

I would say that my opinion is the exact opposite of this. No way is Aesop anywhere near Doom in terms of lyrical ability when looking at syncopation, word play, and just the overall skill he displays with the English language. Doom has thought of rhymes that Aesop couldn't think of if he had a hundred lifetimes. However, while I say this it does not mean Doom's subject matter is better than Aesops, because at times Doom raps about the dumbest things. Doom's got the vast edge for me though. Beats, rhymes, style, flow, history, all of it weighs in favor of MF for me.

Aesop Rock for me.

I don't even have to really discuss why, because some of you know that I think Doom is just ****ing boring.

Aesop. I like DOOM, but I find both his lyrics and his flow a lot less varied than Aesop.

You should add a poll. Looks like this could be a doozy. Currently 4-3 Aesop (not sure who Freebase Dali is siding with).

I would assume Aesop, as I meant to clarify that I only wanted their ability as a rapper to influence the decision, although it's fine if you wanna discuss their production credits.

I can add a poll if you want.

Go for it :)

Done. :)

We had that discussion. It might have been slightly before you started coming here, but I remember having it. It DID get stale pretty quick.

But I don't see how this debate would be less stale. I think they're less comparable... Stream of consciousness multis vs a mean, fairly direct but unstoppable flow? It seems like preference to me, or I like one while I party and one when I chill (they're both capable of either to be honest...I've had Aesop keep parties going too).

Man fuck ya'll, DOOM's the best there is. Besides, Aesop is just a wannabe El-P.

A wannabe El-P? I don't see it.

Voted Aesop, because one of the main reasons I listen to hip hop is for the lyrics, and I prefer Aesop's.

definitely agree....aesop rock was the first hiphop artist i got into (it was labor days i fell in love with). but several years later, i find it harder and harder to listen to him. i just can't stand how he kind of forces words out and his flow kind of makes him sound pretentious.

and besides, "Doom is master of the world"

You don't hear any similarity in the way they spit? They sound pretty damn similar to me, Aes just spits slightly faster and a little more avante-garde. Both are super technical, have similar flow, and both incorporate weird scifi/fantasy references.

Aesop Rock has definitely fallen off lately, but he's been annoying to me since even before that, which is strange since Labor Days was one of my first hip hop albums. Maybe I'm not justified in calling him a "wannabe El-P", but I can't help myself from judging them against each other. I mean hey, El-p was doing his thing before aesop and and he also started the label that AR would eventually join.



Also El-P has a way doper voice.

Aesop and El-P are bread and butter - they go hand in hand. No need to compare or say one is a wannabe. But anyway, I won't be able to say anything about Aesop Rock falling off until I hear his new album this year.

I suppose we will have that debate once both of their albums are released.

I think your reaching a little bit to make your point that aesop is overrated. Which is very valid.

However, Aesop has been doing his thing for as long as el-p, and has always had a distinct sound. I think the comparison in flow and style is the result of them both being technically great rappers, being the same age, and being from the same general area.



"my daytime is on some, yes sir, okay sir, do you mind if breath sir, oh you do, well excuse me sir **** you"

To me Aesop is more vague like anti-establishment, imagery-driven, emotionally vulnerable type stuff, and El-P is more concrete anti-establishment, neo-future thematic type stuff. Which is why, like you, I think he's better because he's not hiding under a blanket of shit that's only "interpretive", he's actually commenting on stuff in a profound, digestible way.

Anybody up for a el-p vs aesop rock thread? I think that would be pretty interesting.

May as well keep it in here.

I say we change the title to, "el-p vs aesop rock vs mf doom" i think that covers about all of the MB hip hop fanboys on this site.

vs. Del the Funky Homosapien

vs Kendrick Lamar (Yeah!)

It's going to get intense because all these guys have new material supposedly coming out this year as well.

im ready to pounce on what is likely to be another subpar release from del

Maybe it's the Jim Beam talking, but I don't think Del is a particularly good rapper. He has character and sometimes has cool lyrics, but his flow is not only extremely repetitive, it always sounds like he's imitating some forgotten 80s rapper.

^I don't think Jim Beam's got anything to do with it cause I'm completely sober and I feel the same way.

I'm saying this as someone who likes Deltron 3030 and Both Sides of the Brain by the way. The guy has certainly put out a couple quality albums, I just don't think in terms of his rapping ability, he stacks up to anyone mentioned in this thread so far.

I think I prefer DOOM overall, but Aesop has better lyrics, and is more consistent.

that song was for some indie flick, it was intentionally strip clubby

I think thats the upper echelon of strib club music

Hey Sparky, vote DOOM up already. You're making him look bad.

It's getting the time of year when i become anti-voting but sure

heres one of my favorite aesop rock songs :)


"still inspired by coke and ghost throwups like a bulimic miss pacman" lol

if only he was as good as doom :(

That's a ****e track. If there was ever an argument that Aesop was falling off or inconsistent, this is the thing to reference even if it can be explained away. I still side with Aesop and his stream of consciousness metaphor rhymes, but DOOM is exceptional and I see no true reason to pick one or the other except for fun.

I don't know, the explanation is certainly legit. If anything this should make you like him more, doom never made a soundtrack to some stupid little indie film.

http://joeyraia.com/site/wp-content/...9/Dewana_2.jpg

music by aesop at the bottom there, if yall wanna find this film on the internet, please let me know how it is

Ahh, I remember seeing that somewhere but I'm not ****in with it. Good for him or what not, but, one thing I've learned is Aesop Rock has strange tastes. I see eye to eye with him on a lot of his philosophies, but his interests baffle me.

More on topic, one thing I note is I enjoy the beats behind Aesop more than Doom's, and we all know Doom has amazing production. But whether it's Blockhead, Aesop himself, or El-P, production take the cake over DOOM beats 9 times out of 10 for me.

Be assured that I frown :mad: and will not pit two of my favorites against each other for your loose entertainment.