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SGR · 02-10-2013, 08:43 AM

^I see what you're saying and I agree with you. There may not be a real "discernible" story, but this album DEFINITELY abides by a certain theme throughout the album, thus making it a concept album.

**Janszoon** · 02-10-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

^I see what you're saying and I agree with you. There may not be a real "discernible" story, but this album DEFINITELY abides by a certain theme throughout the album, thus making it a concept album.

If that's the definition of a concept album then most albums are concept albums.

14232949 · 02-10-2013, 09:40 AM

Surely the idea of a concept album is to tell a story over the record with intertwining themes.
I don't know why it matters what's a concept album and what isn't.
As you all probably know by now, I like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, would I say it's a concept album? No. Does it matter? No.
And to argue that is ridiculous. We're all interpreting the album in the way we think it's meant to be taken.
The only way to know for sure what the true meaning of an album is would be to ask the artist themselves.
To say "no you're wrong, the album is about Y not X" is stupid because just like musical taste, interpretation is subjective.
It seems a little pretentious to me that people are trying to slate this album for not following a 'concept'. I wasn't aware to release a good album it needed to follow a 'concept'

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 02-10-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

Surely the idea of a concept album is to tell a story over the record with intertwining themes.
I don't know why it matters what's a concept album and what isn't.
As you all probably know by now, I like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, would I say it's a concept album? No. Does it matter? No.
And to argue that is ridiculous. We're all interpreting the album in the way we think it's meant to be taken.
The only way to know for sure what the true meaning of an album is would be to ask the artist themselves.
To say "no you're wrong, the album is about Y not X" is stupid because just like musical taste, interpretation is subjective.
It seems a little pretentious to me that people are trying to slate this album for not following a 'concept'. I wasn't aware to release a good album it needed to follow a 'concept'

Burn!

**Janszoon** · 02-10-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

Surely the idea of a concept album is to tell a story over the record with intertwining themes.
I don't know why it matters what's a concept album and what isn't.
As you all probably know by now, I like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, would I say it's a concept album? No. Does it matter? No.
And to argue that is ridiculous. We're all interpreting the album in the way we think it's meant to be taken.
The only way to know for sure what the true meaning of an album is would be to ask the artist themselves.
To say "no you're wrong, the album is about Y not X" is stupid because just like musical taste, interpretation is subjective.
It seems a little pretentious to me that people are trying to slate this album for not following a 'concept'. I wasn't aware to release a good album it needed to follow a 'concept'

I haven't seen a single person in this thread "trying slate this album for not following a concept".

14232949 · 02-10-2013, 12:28 PM

The implication throughout seems to be that if you think MBDTF is a concept album you're stupid.

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Originally Posted by Surell

Ok, it is a concept album if you're the kind of person who got suckered by oxy-clean commercials.

Despite interpretation being subjective. Nobody is right or wrong. However;

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

No. Next you're going to say Good Kid Mad City is a concept album.. Not on my watch, I'm a badass after all.

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To say "no you're wrong, the album is about Y not X" is stupid because just like musical taste, interpretation is subjective.

This post would imply MBDTF and GKMC are definitely not concept albums, yet the album that was discussed favourably earlier (Labour Days) seems to be unanimously considered conceptual despite no evidence. To me this looks like a case of the album I like is good, the album you like is bad.

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

Going on about how famous you are on every track isn't telling a story, even if the tone shifts.

Even if this were a concept, there is evidence in this thread ^ of the concept being diminished because of its nature.

Really, I'm not here to start an argument, but the new member with the cat avatar was giving his opinions on why he thinks MBDTF is conceptual and was basically told "no you're wrong"
Vintage Music Banter logic.

catsandmusic · 02-10-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by catsandmusic

This is what I think the album is saying

you must have missed this part.

**Janszoon** · 02-10-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

The implication throughout seems to be that if you think MBDTF is a concept album you're stupid.

How is that an example of "slating the album"?

14232949 · 02-10-2013, 02:00 PM

because I see no evidence saying it either is or isn't, when Catsandmusic said he thought it was, the implication was he was stupid for thinking so.
How does a difference in interpretation make one party less intelligent than the other?

**Janszoon** · 02-10-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

because I see no evidence saying it either is or isn't, when Catsandmusic said he thought it was, the implication was he was stupid for thinking so.
How does a difference in interpretation make one party less intelligent than the other?

Did you actually read what I wrote or not?

02-10-2013, 08:43 AM	#491 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	^I see what you're saying and I agree with you. There may not be a real "discernible" story, but this album DEFINITELY abides by a certain theme throughout the album, thus making it a concept album.

02-10-2013, 09:40 AM	#493 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	Surely the idea of a concept album is to tell a story over the record with intertwining themes. I don't know why it matters what's a concept album and what isn't. As you all probably know by now, I like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, would I say it's a concept album? No. Does it matter? No. And to argue that is ridiculous. We're all interpreting the album in the way we think it's meant to be taken. The only way to know for sure what the true meaning of an album is would be to ask the artist themselves. To say "no you're wrong, the album is about Y not X" is stupid because just like musical taste, interpretation is subjective. It seems a little pretentious to me that people are trying to slate this album for not following a 'concept'. I wasn't aware to release a good album it needed to follow a 'concept'

02-10-2013, 02:00 PM	#499 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	because I see no evidence saying it either is or isn't, when Catsandmusic said he thought it was, the implication was he was stupid for thinking so. How does a difference in interpretation make one party less intelligent than the other?