I'm not insinuating insults because it boggles my mind that you don't hear the similarities.

Drake
"Love your sushi rolls Hotter then wasabi I race for your love Shake-n-bake Ricky bobby"

Lil Wayne
"I know the game is crazy its more crazy than its ever been I'm married to that crazy b**** call me Kevin Federline""

It's the same formulaic punchlines. They do not rap about different content and the timing varies song to song for both artist,neither has consistent timing or anything.

You really think Drake rapping about wanting to **** Nicki Minajs thick ass isn't a media ploy? This dude got casted on degrassi because he is the perfect archetype to peddle bs to stupid kids

I think the car theme was because the name of the album was Trunk Muzik. Did you stop to think about that? he has some other tracks that aren't car related. I'm pretty sure his next album isn't going to have mostly car related tracks it's not just something he does.

I disagree with you on the whole race card thing as well. You didn't even touch on his rapping speed but I know that you aren't really impressed with that so I guess you didn't mention it. I think that is also part of the reason that he's getting the attention that he is atm. It was a great idea to include him in WorldWide Choppers track.

lol no comment on the ageist remarks.

Okay, I understand that. I just feel that there are more solid tracks on the first album and he could have made plenty more singles from that album that would get constant radio play.

I like Drake and will listen to him from time to time but I know that he sounds similar to Wayne. The major difference is that Drake has the whole sing songy thing going for similar to Kid Cudi where he can sing and his rapping "skills" are so so.

All rappers use different timing and use formulas to create punchlines, metaphors and similies in their raps. You may as well be saying that all rappers sound alike, or that all rappers suck.

Again, how he is portrayed to the public or his target demographic still has nothing to do with his actual talent, only the way that his talent is perceived by certain people. People who can listen to music and judge it on its merit (like most of us on here) can see it for what it is. If you knew nothing about Drake's past and heard one of his songs out of the blue, you would still hate it. You wouldn't say "I don't like his music, it sounds like somthing that an ex-child star would put out."

Not all rappers use the same generic formula(lets call it "YMCM^2011") for their punchlines over and over and over and over

You may not have a great memory, but their was a time when not every rap line went "matious, muthu ****ing one man band/ flow so wet/kool aid man!"

damn i snapped


When your a pop artist, how you are perceived is everything. He has to make sure his sound is in line with the latest trends. He isn't making music to be judged on, he is making music that is consumable and universal,and following in the foot steps of other successful artists is a guaranteed way of doing that.

But w/e this is my thread **** drake case closed:bringit:

yeah I was going to bring the topic back to that same thing.

It's pretty much Matious thread so let him voice his opinions. you can comment on them if you disagree but you aren't going to change his mind. He doesn't like an artist for whatever his reasons are then that's it. Not much left to say.


Moving right along Big Sean and Jadakiss.

I'm really liking Big Sean I wonder why you don't like him and he hasn't released his debut album yet lol.

pffff, that's rich :laughing:

tbh, his speed is not really all that impressive to me, Busta Rhymes and even Chris Brown in "Look at Me Now" >>> most of Yela's rhymes. that and he doesn't keep up that speed for long. i get if a rapper doesn't want to or can't keep it up for an entire song, but most of the time he can't even go half a verse without slowing down.

i also agree with the enunciation thing he does, matious. listening to him for long sounds like daggers hitting my ears with every word that he just HAS to pronounce fully.

Agreed, f*ck him and the Degrassi wheelchair he rolled in on.

I think the thing with drake's acting career is he doesn't have the same background as the other guys, therefore he can't relate and be real. Thus, he is fake.

True, but I'm sure he got to tap some of that hot teen ass on the Degrassi set.

I don't know how much of Drake that you have listened to but on his album he doesn't pretend to be hood or street or anything along those lines. He raps about what he knows so I don't get that whole "oh he's fake and doesn't deserve to be a rapper" feel that you are talking about.

Jadakiss
One of those rappers who I see guest appearing on everything, dude used to roll with DMX he goes so far back.
I honestly don't have any real criticism with the guy, he just seems like one of those rappers who appears on the song as filler, never really adding any value. Has anyone ever actually heard a jadakiss solo single in the past decade?

TBH i know next to nothing about jadakiss :) I just say "**** jadakiss" because his inclusion is unnecessary in every song he's on.

Can't wait to get flack from the one jadakiss fan on the internet...

HA HA!

had to include the jadakiss laugh in my post but anyways.

This solo song was played like crazy when it came out and his last album was pretty damn good.

This thread is of the uptmost importance. Matious wtf are you doing get in here.

Wale (yes he's not on the list but **** this guy)

So unbelievably overrated.

is he ****ing advertising for nike? He's going to rap about revolution with that as his hook?

Always been weird on beats. He compensates for his below average lyricism by trying to cram a ****load of charisma or swag into his delivery. Even kid cudi knows wale is wack

"It wasn’t a shot, it’s just a simple-ass rhyme by a simple-ass rapper. You can’t let that **** faze you. That’s one of those raps that just shows the world that you wack. Why would you even use that as a metaphor? "(wale/kid cudi beef circa 2010)

It's rappers like this that make me feel like im old or missing something. Because nobody sees why i dislike that guy its like twilight zone and everybody is crazy except me.

oh wow really?

I really really like Wale and I have all of his mixtapes and his album.

If i still used last.fm our music compatibility would be like -9999999999 trillion

I think we like music for different reasons brosef

all those songs were not even bad they were garbage to me

alright then no problem

thoughts on Big Sean?

and actually our last.fm wouldn't be that far off, it would be somewhere in the middle because of the various artists I listen to.

your ready to pounce on any criticism i have with him i can already tell

lol I'm just curious.

This is your thread feel free to say what you have to say.

I don't even know too much about Big Sean, I just like that radio single he has "My Last" with Chris Brown.

big sean
I actually had a positive introduction to big sean. I liked the first song i ever heard by him, and thought it was fun catchy tune and he brought multiple flows and whatnot


But he's dumbed down his sound so ****ing much. He sounds a little too cute and drake wanna be

Really pay attention when you listen to this song. He rhymes with the same word like 10 times and all the other rhymes were simple one syllable kids stuff man

all this **** music is ruining my high lol

I didn't listen to all of the first song because I want to lay down but those two songs that are posted are just catchy songs for the radio, I don't think his album is going to be full of radio singles/tracks. No one really does that.

I'm getting his album when it comes out next week

I haven't heard much but "My Last" is like motivation music for me. It's catchy and not that serious. I haven't even paid much attention to the lyrics of that song to see that they aren't that great. It's a throw-away type of song imo.

I'll let you wait til tomorrow to do anymore since this shitty music is fucking up your buzz

I agree, but with that in mind don't you notice any discrepancy between those two?

And it's clear that you don't value lyricism too highly or you wouldn't be fond of this guy either.

I value lyricism but it's always a second thought in my mind.

When I first hear a song , I listen mostly for the production/beats then I listen to see how likable it is as far as radio play material then I go back and listen to the lyrics.

I appreciate songs when I hear good lyricism but it just doesn't stand out to me at first.

I remember this song being pretty big when it came out sometime in the early to mid 2000's.



Yes the video is incredibly corny.

I found some more Big Sean singles and he definitely subscribes to the rhyming mother****er with mother****er news letter



I liked the quagmire line in this one though









This song shows his true potential lyrically I believe and if his tracks on his album are more like this then I could get behind him but for now he's kind of meh.

I wouldn't say **** him but he's just meh to me.

He's completely one-dimensional. He did change up his sound a lot from what he was like real early on, so kudo's for that i guess, otherwise his stoner anthems bore the **** out me

I liked the how fly tape he did with currensy mainly because they work togethor pretty well, but it didn't get too many plays.

Plies
This guy is music for retarded people. I'm dead serious. I hate his southern drawl, it's so ****ing annoying to listen to. A necessary part of being good at rapping is the ability to flow and this guy (bless his heart) is not capable of doing that.


This is his "real" music, the stuff not intended for radio play and omfg it makes me wanna kill myself.

Plies represents that annoying ghetto mutha****er who has to start **** on the bus and make me late. This dude makes Trick Daddy seem like Rakim by comparison.
Seriously i feel like plies music is self-explanatory, i shouldn't even be trying to articulate why this dude sucks dick

I remember a guy who said that when Plies rapped, he would rhyme desk with computer. And i remember a girl who said when she heard Plies' songs, she would get the image of Golem from LOTR ripping a fish apart with his teeth. I fully agree with both statements; sadly, Becky and Plenty Money are on my iTunes.

pity me.

:laughing:

I think you just like anything that can have the top 40 or hip hop label put on it djchameleon. Still not hating though, each to their own.

lol Plenty Money is the only song from him that I tolerate.

Plies reminds me so much of Juvenile but Plies has a slightly better flow because at least he can rap on beat but that's not saying much.

I never liked Plies

I dunno, Plies' flow was so basic it would be hard to get off beat, but on Becky he somehow manages to hardly rhyme AND wobble off and on the beat. Back that Ass Up has to be better than any Plies verse i ever heard, and that is just ridiculous.

I definitely see the similarity though.

Whenever I think of Juvenile going off beat it's from this song. It's like he doesn't even care about the beat and just keeps plowing through lol

I'd always thought that was intentional, for some reason... I used to hear it all the time with South shit. It never occurred to me that not one person in the recording studio would have noticed and said something about it.

Seriously, if you had told me cashmoney or "hot boyz" or whatever was going to be the biggest, most profitable label come 2011 i would have laughed my ass of at you.

WTF is up with this beat? It's like somebody passed out on the keys and birdman walked in and was like "wheres my beat" and dude just hits play and is like "uhh here ya go"

you feel like doing two more tonight?

Mac Miller and Sage Francis if you are up for it.

lol it's not like it's that hard for me to spew nonsensical 2 sentence rants about artists especially when it's all opinion based and hardly critiquing the actual music at all.

Just gotta get deuce chopped and ill get right on it :)

lol no, the only reason I said that was because the older night you were having a hard time listening to shit artists and it was messing with your buzz

Mac Miller
This dude is a poster boy and gets hooked up with really nice beats. Most of his content is a joke


oh my god mac miller i get to wear your hat? OMFG thats like your coolest characteristic



His portrait of stoner life is so dull, it's like what you would catch on a abc family sitcom or something.

Das Racist has a great stoner lyric "tried it at a party and it was my thing, paranoid self-consciousness is my thing." Like it is possible to rap about this **** and not make it so terribly cliche.

Ladies think this dude is super hot for some reason. I saw him live and they went completely ape ****.


Is anybody seeing a trend here?

Sage Francis
http://www.prefixmag.com/site_media/...ancis-yell.jpg
Always incredibly sappy or pretentious. I did like Personal Journals as a kid, then i grew up. His lyrics seem pretty good when he's saying them fast over some minimalist indie beat, but then you listen to it again and it's incredibly corny.
'Life's not a bitch, she's just sick of being personified' - Sage Francis
so insightful geez

He sometimes gives me flashes of nostalgia in the same way as like fugazi or something,but never something i can really listen to seriously.

Another funny sage francis line
"Life's just a lie with an 'F' in it, and death is definite."

Completely disagree, although I'm a little relieved it wasn't all for the reason I suspected (the bit about being pretentious). I don't find either of the lines you posted to be particularly corny. I know he isn't the endsall to alternative hip-hop but his material is genuine and occasially thought-provoking and when he isn't backed by an indie-rock band his music is on point, not to mention his flow is intense yet hella smooth.