Ok sorry to do this, i've been kinda distracted recently and I still have a couple of points to make, sorry again.
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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant
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You've recognized it yourself that Poetic Justice is a continuation in his theme
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Yes she is, he's hung up on some girl. Frank Ocean has moments like that on his album too, as you pointed out, but there are moments like "Crack Rock" and "Pink Matter" to counter this. And yes, both songs are whiny, but kendrick is just corny with it. "A fatal attraction is common, and what we have common is pain?" Gag me with a spoon bro.
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As for backseat freestyle it's the radio song from the album, but its inclusion is explained by way of the simple sentence of K.Dot's buddy telling him he has a beat and blank CD, so he is to prepare his freestyle whilst the ride in the car to the next chapter of the story.
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Well that sounds a little bit like filler to me, and i never heard this song on the radio, just "Poetic Justice" and "Don't Kill My Vibe," the latter of which having little to do with the story except that his dad really likes dominos.
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It may not be ground breaking production, but you can't knock it technically, it's not as if the beats randomly skip about or the levels are distorted. Everything is masterfully done. It may be basic in places but you can't argue that the basics are perfected. Also the production style compliments the story and theme of the album. I don't think it can be faulted for not particularly being overbearing when that is not the goal of the record. It's a story rather than an exhibition in production.
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I definitely wouldn't say it perfects anything, but on a basic level it does alright. That's what i mean though, it's just alright. It kinda drones with Kendrick's nasally, mediocre storytelling and loses me for the most part. If he wanted to focus us in on his story, he should have either got really attention getting beats or gone minimal, that's what works for that kind of plan.
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Super Rich Kids was one of the songs that brought the album down in my opinion. It's basically just "I'm rich, this is my life" but Frank not coming out and using first person in it. It could be about his own experiences it may be about someone else, either way it just basically says 'this is what rich people do'
It was just a filler track. He then inserts some lines about love to keep the theme of 'love' constant, because that's what most of the album's about right, Frank Ocean: unlucky in love.
I can't see how this track is engaging, I know your guy Earl drops a verse but again, it's not really necessary.
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it's evocative in detailing wealthy lifestyle, as well as satiring it, which is what engages me. And as far as the love thing goes, the track portrays this person as lonely, so i imagine that's why that comes in.
That was very unhelpful, it essentially just told me the song at face value. But what i can gather is that this was Kendrick's flourishing period in roberry, so he's celebrating how he's progressed in crime. Gee, that sounds familiar.
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If that's the case, aren't Super Rich Kids and Sweet Life in effect the same song? They seem to do the exact same thing of talking from the perspective of a well off person as they talk about their nice things.
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Many of the songs move in pairs, it's part of the narrative, he tells two sides of the story: inside and outside. I actually analyzed the album in my music journal, which i won't link here because it makes me feel weird, but it's much like a dream, where you find yourself seeing this thing happening, and suddenly you're the person doing the thing or the thing being acted upon. In my opinion.
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I challenge you to find another song which manages to articulately channel the concept of the dangers of peer pressure as Swimming Pools all the time being able to present itself as the antithesis of what it actually represents.
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uggh, that song is just cornball to the max. The production is so washy, like the cheesiest waka flocka song you could think of, and it's soo preachy and, yet again, has some girl kendrick's working over his fourth grade crush for. i can't think of anything like this because i don't usually listen to anyone making a song quite this corny. However, much of Tyler's own horrendous stories and jokes parallel the gangsta worship of mainstream rap today - mysogyny, homophobia, murder, all of which he doesn't actually execute but glorifies in his art.
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It seems to me this is getting less of a discussion about GKMC, and more of a comparison between it and Channel ORANGE. Although I'm surprised you find Channel ORANGE more engaging, it was the nature of the earlier tracks that began to sour the album somewhat for me. On first listen I thought it was excellent, repeated listens of primarily Super Rich Kids and Sweet Life made the album as a whole drop in my estimation, which is a shame when you combine it with the genius of everything Pyramids up.
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Then let it cease here, though I only bring it up because I think Kendrick's praise was much less earned, though that could be said for Frank since he had the letter come out shortly before his album dropped which gave him a sort of hype.
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I wouldn't use Music Banter as a gauge for how music is received. Most members here are either idiots, too pretentious to listen to a mainstream album or spend all their time talking about ridiculous crap in the lounge rather than contributing to music discussion. I like this forum and community, but I wouldn't say this is the make or break place for whether an album's been well received or not.
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I think it serves as a good gauge for people who consider music even a passing interest, especially when you get down to regulars in the subforums like this. It represents pretty decently though, across many demographics and all.
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I think when Frank truly breaks away from Odd Future and becomes his own man, without others riding his coat tails and bringing him down, he could potentially become the next Usher or MJ. His appearance on the Grammies as well as the extended radio play of Thinkin About You especially indicates it's only a matter of time until he blows up even further than he already has.
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Firstly, Usher? I'd rather he not. I'm hoping he'll stick with the Marvin/Stevie route he's got right now. Also, I doubt he will break off, seeing as he was on more songs on Tyler's latest album than any of his previous ones, and Tyler appeared twice on Frank's newest album (production and vocals) as opposed to none on his first.
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I'll look into some of them, never being a massive folk guy. But I'll give some a shot.
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His newer stuff is less folk and more psychedelic hard heavy noisy rock with jammming. Try his late 80s early 90s stuff for more rockish sstyle.
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You guessed correctly, nothing against them. But another band that just isn't 100% my cup of tea, Strawberry Jam's pretty cool and I've been meaning to listen to Merriweather Pavillion or whatever you call it.
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MPP's aight, I like SJ more. Their newest is pretty good.
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His story may not be unique, but that's why I think so many people can relate to it. If he did a Deltron 3030 and spoke of outlandish characters in a far off galaxy, he wouldn't be able to utilize his honesty and his self effacing nature. He plays to his strengths. Every artist should. I'm not an Eminem fan at all, but that's a different kettle of fish.
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I suppose, but artists have conveyed similar stories more interestingly than this. And yeah, EM sucks
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As for a lyrical content and story telling, here's one of my favourite K.Dot verses, from Hol' Up off of Section 8.0
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Not as good as GZA.
