Rapper VS. Sample

The Bullet · 10-15-2010, 08:29 PM

A staple of hip-hop is sampling other people's music, often not hip-hop at all. A good rapper would be able to improve upon the sample. A bad one? Not even close. This thread is basically like "song wars", but instead, it pits rappers against the samples they use. If you guys have any idea's, just drop me a PM.

First Matchup

2pac- Changes

(Sorry, I couldn't find the studio version. I think this is lip-synced though.)

2pac 1
Bruce Hornsby 0

Edit: 12/5/10
Record

2pac- Changes 3
Bruce Hornsby- The Way it Is 0

Aerosmith- Dream On 3
Eminem- Sing for the Moment 2

Weezer- Say it Ain't So 3
Spose- Drugs, Girls, Money, Liquor 2

Sugarhill Gang- Rapper's Delight 1
Chic- Good Times 1

Beastie Boys- Slow Ride 0
War- Low Rider 1

Dr_Rez · 10-15-2010, 08:44 PM

Wait how can you give Pac a point for using someone else's song idea? I mean there snothing wrong with that but at the end of the day Bruce Hornsby still wrote it.

Hell All Along the Watchtower is the best ****ing Hendrix song imo, but even though I find it 10x more listenable than Dylans, its a losing battle.

The Bullet · 10-15-2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RezZ

Wait how can you give Pac a point for using someone else's song idea? I mean there snothing wrong with that but at the end of the day Bruce Hornsby still wrote it.

It's basically a cover. I'm not denying that. Bruce Hornsby wrote it. Yes, you can legitimately vote for him because of that, even if you prefer 2pac's version. I'm personally judging based on pure quality here, not ethnicallity, and for me, it's not even close.

2pac's lyrics and rhythm/flow>Bruce's lyrics and voice
Talent's chorus>Bruce's chorus.
And, for some reason, 2pac's version doesn't sound as dated. I don't know why.

Dr_Rez · 10-15-2010, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bullet

It's basically a cover. I'm not denying that. Bruce Hornsby wrote it. Yes, you can legitimately vote for him because of that, even if you prefer 2pac's version. I'm personally judging based on pure quality here, not ethnicallity, and for me, it's not even close.

2pac's lyrics and rhythm/flow>Bruce's lyrics and voice
Talent's chorus>Bruce's chorus.
And, for some reason, 2pac's version doesn't sound as dated. I don't know why.

I agree with your for sure. Although comparing these is apples to oranges. The genres are so far apart.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 10-16-2010, 12:39 PM

Most sampling wouldn't be considered "covers" though. Sampling is born of deejaying culture and it reflects the ideal of using what's at hand to create something new. Basically, a good producer will either put things together that never would have been, or an artist/producer may enjoy a particular piece of music so much that they want to perform their take on it. Basically a cover, but a bit different because it does involve writing a lot of original material.

Also, it's not "stealing" anything because everybody knows it's a sample.

Queen Boo · 10-16-2010, 07:08 PM

I like this thread idea.
I prefer 2pac's. It feels more modern and more genuine.

2pac 2
Bruce Hornsby 0

The Bullet · 10-16-2010, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVEMENT SAW

I like this thread idea.
I prefer 2pac's. It feels more modern and more genuine.

2pac 2
Bruce Hornsby 0

Wouldn't it be
2pac 2
Bruce Hornsby 1
because of Rezz?

@Rezz, I saw that as a vote. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dr_Rez · 10-17-2010, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bullet

Wouldn't it be
2pac 2
Bruce Hornsby 1
because of Rezz?

@Rezz, I saw that as a vote. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well by this threads terms I actually vote for Pac. I was defending the songwriter but I like Pacs song way more.

Queen Boo · 10-17-2010, 07:39 PM

Okay, for the sake of the thread
2pac 3
Bruce Hornsby 0

Right?

The Bullet · 10-21-2010, 03:18 PM

Sorry for being off the net for a while, I've been super busy. Anyways, I'm above putting up one match and ditching the thread. Looks like 2Pac won, and, uh, looking at how active this thread is, it doesn't seem like there's gona be a dramatic comeback anytime soon, so I'm moving on to the next match.

Next match:
Aerosmith- Dream On

Eminem- Sing For the Moment

Aerosmith 1
Eminem 0

10-15-2010, 08:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
The Bullet Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 454	Rapper VS. Sample A staple of hip-hop is sampling other people's music, often not hip-hop at all. A good rapper would be able to improve upon the sample. A bad one? Not even close. This thread is basically like "song wars", but instead, it pits rappers against the samples they use. If you guys have any idea's, just drop me a PM. First Matchup 2pac- Changes (Sorry, I couldn't find the studio version. I think this is lip-synced though.) 2pac 1 Bruce Hornsby 0 Edit: 12/5/10 Record 2pac- Changes 3 Bruce Hornsby- The Way it Is 0 Aerosmith- Dream On 3 Eminem- Sing for the Moment 2 Weezer- Say it Ain't So 3 Spose- Drugs, Girls, Money, Liquor 2 Sugarhill Gang- Rapper's Delight 1 Chic- Good Times 1 Beastie Boys- Slow Ride 0 War- Low Rider 1 __________________ http://soundcloud.com/zachary-steuer Last edited by The Bullet; 12-09-2010 at 10:36 PM. Reason: Adding to the record

10-15-2010, 08:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dr_Rez Registered Jimmy Rustler Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,360	Wait how can you give Pac a point for using someone else's song idea? I mean there snothing wrong with that but at the end of the day Bruce Hornsby still wrote it. Hell All Along the Watchtower is the best ***ing Hendrix song imo, but even though I find it 10x more listenable than Dylans, its a losing battle. __________________ Best chance of losing virginity is in prison crew* Always Checks Credentials Crew nba > nfl crew Shave one of my legs to pretend its a girl in my bed crew

10-21-2010, 03:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
The Bullet Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 454	Sorry for being off the net for a while, I've been super busy. Anyways, I'm above putting up one match and ditching the thread. Looks like 2Pac won, and, uh, looking at how active this thread is, it doesn't seem like there's gona be a dramatic comeback anytime soon, so I'm moving on to the next match. Next match: Aerosmith- Dream On Eminem- Sing For the Moment Aerosmith 1 Eminem 0 __________________ http://soundcloud.com/zachary-steuer

10-16-2010, 12:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	Most sampling wouldn't be considered "covers" though. Sampling is born of deejaying culture and it reflects the ideal of using what's at hand to create something new. Basically, a good producer will either put things together that never would have been, or an artist/producer may enjoy a particular piece of music so much that they want to perform their take on it. Basically a cover, but a bit different because it does involve writing a lot of original material. Also, it's not "stealing" anything because everybody knows it's a sample.

10-16-2010, 07:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Queen Boo From beyooond the graaave Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: The state that proudly brought you Disco Duck Posts: 1,513	I like this thread idea. I prefer 2pac's. It feels more modern and more genuine. 2pac 2 Bruce Hornsby 0

10-17-2010, 07:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Queen Boo From beyooond the graaave Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: The state that proudly brought you Disco Duck Posts: 1,513	Okay, for the sake of the thread 2pac 3 Bruce Hornsby 0 Right?