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Old 08-20-2014, 11:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Music is art. She makes music, I don't know what she has claimed but just because you don't find one video artistic does not make her less of an artist. Does she consider herself an artistic director? coreographer? music video maker? She can not be held accountable if people buy her records because they think she is hot
Music is suppose to be art but just because someone makes a song does not automatically make it "artistic" or art.

She has professed to be an artist and wants to be taken seriously as an artist. She has also negatively criticized other artists for not writing their lyrics or being creative.

So I have every right to hold her accountable for what she says she wants her music and music videos to reflect.


This music video and song is the opposite of what SHE wants HER music to reflect....period.


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. The song is clearly about sex, listen to the lyrics. I think the lyrics and video mesh well. If you are looking for music with creative depth or something that tackles social morality issues you will not find it in the mainstream. Mainstream music is created to make money, if someone happens to create a song with some sort of positive social message that's just a bonus. This is a whole other conversation completely that I don't want to get into.
It does not matter that the song is about sex. The video concept could have still be more creative than just her just popping her booty and laying around half naked.

I am not her fan or am looking for her to be more than what she is because I know what she is. I just think that she should be held accountable for what she says and does.

Don't call out Iggy or insist you are a serious artist but then lay around half naked on the ground and make a stupid song, c'mon.


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If she doesn't feel degraded you can't feel degraded for her. She's confident and knows that she has a desirable body. I don't see a problem with making money off your body. Some people are blessed or rich enough to be sexually appealing to the masses others are skilled craftsman. You gotta use what you got to make something of yourself.
Just because she may not feel degraded does not mean what she is doing is not degrading.

That is like saying the act of prostituting is not degrading because the woman does not "feel degraded". It still does not change that it is a degrading act regardless whether the woman feels comfortable with it or not.

I wouldn't say she is "blessed" because she can do this. I just think this is something that she is choosing to do and she is being backed by a label that is marketing her based on image that requires her to exploit her body.

There are plenty of better looking ordinary woman that are not rich that don't exploit their bodies in this manner.

It does not take a whole lot of talent to do what she is doing so lets not make it seem like it is lol


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I don't think most men hold them to the average standard of beauty. We know they are what you say they are. We aren't stupid and that doesn't make them less attractive.
There are men who do and society holds her to a certain standard. There are men who vote on polls and express their opinion and she is being held to a standard based on male perspectives.

I never said that made her less attractive. I have never once in this conversation called her ugly because I definitely don't think that or thought that before her surgeries.

I just think its troubling that our society glorifies superficial unattainable images of what women are suppose to look like when they are just "fantasies".


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I don't understand what you are trying to say here. It sure sounds like your saying that it's only okay if you desire to have the features of someone within your own race, which is absurd. JLo is not the standard of beauty for latina women, she is a standard of beauty for all women. It's not a racial thing.
You completely misunderstood what I said here lol


I used J Lo because she is a woman that is often praised for her shape and sex appeal and she doesn't have a fake booty or curves like Nikki.


Her body is natural and is not artificially put togehter like Nikki so I would feel more comfortable as a minority if the media held Jlo as a standard for women of color when it comes to their bodies because most black woman, Latina, etc are naturally shaped like her.

Most white women/Caucasian do not have asses or are curvy which is why I did not use them as an example.

Most minority woman do not have an ass like Nikki because her ass is fake and abnormally shaped.

At the end of the day, no celebrity is technically a standard but I just feel more comfortable when the celebrity in question are naturally presented the way a ordinary person would be

Last edited by Soulflower; 08-20-2014 at 11:44 PM.
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