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I agree that 808's is a pop album, even kanye himself said it was a pop album. however I definitely prefer todays rap. I mean, I love me some tribe called quest or wutang as much as the next guy but I would rather listen to common market or doomtree
I didn't know he was talking about the KanYe album. If he is, however, then yeah, it's not a Hip-Hop album.
No, B.O.B. strikes me more as an Outkast style-rapper. I look at Jay-Z completly differently.
I assume you've heard Airplanes already (by BOB).
Rap, to me, has never been a genre of classic artists. They don't have the longevity rock gives to certain bands. Its always been new and cutting edge, but now that its settled in, their trying to go back and find artists who've always been good and they dismissed them so quickly, you can only really go back to about 2000.
Don't get me wrong, its spared us largely from the "zomg Big Daddy Kane was the best EVA!!!!!!!" ****, but in lulls like this, for better or worse, they don't have a U2, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Zeppelin, blah blah blah to go back on. I see it as a blessing
But to answer your question, no, not too much is going well in Rap right now.
No, B.O.B. strikes me more as an Outkast style-rapper. I look at Jay-Z completly differently.
Really? That one song you posted doesn't sound nearly quirky enough to remind me of Outkast at all.
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I assume you've heard Airplanes already (by BOB).
Nope. The song you posted is the sum total of my experience with B.O.B.
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Rap, to me, has never been a genre of classic artists. They don't have the longevity rock gives to certain bands. Its always been new and cutting edge, but now that its settled in, their trying to go back and find artists who've always been good and they dismissed them so quickly, you can only really go back to about 2000.
Don't get me wrong, its spared us largely from the "zomg Big Daddy Kane was the best EVA!!!!!!!" ****, but in lulls like this, for better or worse, they don't have a U2, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Zeppelin, blah blah blah to go back on. I see it as a blessing
I'd argue that Jay-Z is basically that kind of thing for hip-hop: the boring musician who has been around for a long time where if you don't like them people flip out and act like you're required to enjoy them.
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But to answer your question, no, not too much is going well in Rap right now.
That's what's bumming me out. I don't want to be one of those people who think everything was better in the past but I feel like the past five years or so hip-hop has been in a slump. I'd love more than anything for someone to prove me wrong about that though.
Really? That one song you posted doesn't sound nearly quirky enough to remind me of Outkast at all...Nope. The song you posted is the sum total of my experience with B.O.B.
Well try airplanes, I don't know how you'll take it but its worth a shot.
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I'd argue that Jay-Z is basically that kind of thing for hip-hop: the boring musician who has been around for a long time where if you don't like them people flip out and act like you're required to enjoy them.
You assume he's getting boring. He's actually (i think) getting better. But thats what I meant though. People are going back 10 years to find mainstays but truth be told rap never really had any. Its Jay-Z, Eminem, and splitting radio play with R&B - Usher, and somehow Ludacris.
Every movement goes through slumps though.
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That's what's bumming me out. I don't want to be one of those people who think everything was better in the past but I feel like the past five years or so hip-hop has been in a slump. I'd love more than anything for someone to prove me wrong about that though.
Its hard to be worse than nothing. I'm not saying bad things are coming out right now, I'm saying almost nothing is coming out right now. Rap's stuck in their boy band phase. The forumla looks like this...
no-name pretty boy + auto-tune + $10,000 beat + guest no name rapper = hit.
The best rap around still comes from the Doom/Prince Paul/Dan the Automator crowd right now. They just aren't doing anything.
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In my opinion the best stuff right now is from artists who came out and established themselves in the 90's and are continuing to produce new stuff today. I agree with Janszoon in that a lot of the stuff from artists who really only came out in the 00's sounds very similar and isn't all that inspired. The song that Big3 posted, while not bad, was just too pop-y for me. Too many artists have experimented with the same sounds and influences before, and it's just nothing new or innovative. Having said that, there are a few artists who really only came into their own in the 00's that I continually follow and really enjoy.
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EDIT: youtube videos don't work when I try to embed them (I think because of the ban here). I don't have a little box to check in the advanced mode, what SHOULD be the "wrap youtube tags" box is just a question mark for me, and typing them out myself doesn't work either.
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then in youtube brackets you should only put the bolded part. Post "=" every time.
ahha! (ok I'm a dumbass!) Tore, you were right, I DON'T know what I'm doing
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What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road.
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Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass.
Well try airplanes, I don't know how you'll take it but its worth a shot.
Listening to it as I type. I like the beat and his flow better on this one but it's still in that same same generic style I'm talking about. Plus it has that woman from Paramore ruining the choruses.
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You assume he's getting boring. He's actually (i think) getting better. But thats what I meant though. People are going back 10 years to find mainstays but truth be told rap never really had any. Its Jay-Z, Eminem, and splitting radio play with R&B - Usher, and somehow Ludacris.
Haha. I don't think he's getting boring, I think he's staying as boring as he's always been.
I guess I agree that longevity is less common in hip-hop to a certain extent but there are some longtimers that are still pretty big. The Roots are another one that come to mind.
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The best rap around still comes from the Doom/Prince Paul/Dan the Automator crowd right now. They just aren't doing anything.
Yeah, that's the kind of hip-hop I listen to but I keep thinking there has to be something else out there that's as good and new.
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