Eminem

DwnWthVwls · 09-04-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Jesus Christ was never a slur and saying words evolve so their historical connection doesn't matter is kinda silly if you choose to make that you're reason for ignoring their definition/connations of a word. It's 2018 are we seriously trying to pretend ***got is an okay thing to say? Jesus

So historical connection matters? Cool, historically ***got isnt a gay slur so its totally okay to say.. You dont get to have it both ways.

Crowquill · 09-04-2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

So historical connection matters? Cool, historically ***got isnt a gay slur so its totally okay to say.. You dont get to have it both ways.

Nope

windsock · 09-04-2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Nope

Alright then.

Crowquill · 09-04-2018, 10:36 AM

Id be less flippant if my response wouldn't be just posting what I said but saying it stupider for them. Following their train of thought we all need to go back to an 1800s dictionary and stop all this evolving nature of language nonsense that's been going on forever. It just doesn't make sense. The antiquated definition of a word doesn't negate what it means today. Saying it does is silly.

DwnWthVwls · 09-04-2018, 10:39 AM

Yeah, because words are constantly evolving and they don't evolve when nazis like you demand they can only be used in one way and never change.

Also, stupider isn't a word but since I know what you meant by it I understand what you mean. That's the beauty of language.

Crowquill · 09-04-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Yeah, because words are constantly evolving and they don't evolve when nazis like you demand they can only be used in one way and never change.

Also, stupider isn't a word but since I know what you meant by it I understand what you mean. That's the beauty of language.

I'm being a nazi for saying we should use the popular definition of a word that society at large accepts? haha okay dude. You're so silly

Key · 09-04-2018, 10:43 AM

English language is literally the worst thing to debate since multiple words have multiple meanings. Nothing changes that. It's about having common sense. You wouldn't sit at your job and call someone a ***got because it's offensive. Imo once a word is deemed as offensive toward a group of people, probably best not to use it. Not to say there arent exceptions but that goes back to my point that debating the English language is rather monotonous. I don't think anyone here is wrong since you're basically posting the same things.

**Frownland** · 09-04-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Yeah, because words are constantly evolving and they don't evolve when nazis like you demand they can only be used in one way and never change.

Also, stupider isn't a word but since I know what you meant by it I understand what you mean. That's the beauty of language.

Do you think that ***got has evolved beyond a homophobic slur?

Crowquill · 09-04-2018, 10:46 AM

To try and redeem this conversation, I think it says a lot that this is the main controversy of the album for people. This sort of **** is all over 90s/early 00s tracks and while like No Vaseline or Ether ages well from the perspective of classic hip hop doing it now in 2018 feels dated and played out. But also Eminem hasn't released a good album in years and that's the real tragedy.

**Frownland** · 09-04-2018, 10:53 AM

Has he ever released a great album though? All I've heard was solid spitting over mediocre or bad music.

Homophobia in hip hop goes back pretty far but it does seem like the tide is turning. I mean I love Small Talk at 125th & Lenox but this track is some ultimate cringe.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Has he ever released a great album though? All I've heard was solid spitting over mediocre or bad music. Homophobia in hip hop goes back pretty far but it does seem like the tide is turning. I mean I love Small Talk at 125th & Lenox but this track is some ultimate cringe. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	English language is literally the worst thing to debate since multiple words have multiple meanings. Nothing changes that. It's about having common sense. You wouldn't sit at your job and call someone a ***got because it's offensive. Imo once a word is deemed as offensive toward a group of people, probably best not to use it. Not to say there arent exceptions but that goes back to my point that debating the English language is rather monotonous. I don't think anyone here is wrong since you're basically posting the same things.