Wow. Is that an attempt at trolling or do you really have that little understanding of what producers do?

I agree. As I mentioned previously, he's one of my favorite rappers. He's not nearly as good a producer as Dre though.

"This album is bad because it contains mainstream crossover capability and is popular"— Merrycaaant, earlier this week

I thought this thread exclusively had to do with rapping and voted Ice Cube... Dangit. Dre has done a lot more for hip-hop. Could someone change my vote?

I dunno does a producer, produce? I haven't spent as much time as you learning everything obviously but I think I get the gist of it.

I never said Ice Cube was a better producer. I don't believe I ever mentioned his production.

Okay, so because I stood up for an album you were unfairly slating to try and look more obscure, I now by default must love every popular album.
I am not mad about the Chronic mainly because I don't like Dre's rapping style, he's just not that good at it.

This is a little off topic but listen to what Suge Knight says about Easy E a short way into this interview.

It doesn't sound like you do get the gist, based on your comments. Here's the gist for you: A producer is the person responsible for everything in the song that isn't the rapping. They're a large part of what makes the song what it is—frequently the largest part—not simply some generic replaceable background component as you seem to imply.

Never said you did. But this conversation is about the whole artist, not just rapping ability.

Nope. You have it backwards. I'm just pointing out to you how ridiculous your accusations are about people "trying to look more obscure". If that applies to me because I don't like Kanye West, then it applies to you because you don't like Dr. Dre.

Who cares about his rapping? Again we're looking at the whole artist here, and his production on that album is great. That's what people like about that album, not Dre's rapping.

Also, you do realize The Chronic isn't his only album, right? 2001 is his better album imo.

So the producer does produce the song then. Thought so.
I like Dre as a beat man, I can listen to him as a rapper, but preferably only on a guest spot. I don't believe he has enough worthwhile things to say to make him interesting over the course of an entire album. He himself knows that, that's why his albums are collaboration heavy.
I am aware of 2001, haven't listened all the way through, because I'm aware that Eminem features predominantly and I can't stand him. It's the same era as when Eminem was at his most popular, so mainstream rap was probably not at its best in 2001, assuming that is when the record was released.

If you knew what they do, then why the dismissive attitude toward them?

If this is a criticism, it's certainly odd coming from a fan of a collaboration heavy album like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

It was released in 1999. And Eminem is on 3 out of 23 tracks.

This isn't about Kanye West though. I'm starting to think you're a closet fan, you bring the guy up a hell of a lot.
It wasn't a criticism, merely an observation. I said that Dre knows himself he can't carry an album on his rapping, hence the guest rappers.
Anything with Eminem featuring 3 times is too much for me I'm afraid. I'm not particularly interested in that album anyway, as I'm not too interested in Dr Dre. So, Eminem could feature twice or twenty two times, It's still very unlikely I'll listen to the album.

What I don't get is why so many casual fans hold Dre in such high regard. I've never seen DJ Premier on anyone's Top 10 list.

Dre's probably the best mainstream Hip Hop producer in the past while, with the most influence and style out of a lot of his peers. However, in the bigger picture, I'd rate him much lower.

Did Ice Cube ever produce? On that note, Dre never produced for him in his formative West Coast early years, so it proves that great West Coast music could be made without Dre - in fact, Amerikkka's... was made primarily by the Bomb Squad, who I would call associated primarily with the East Coast. Soo, yeah.

:rolleyes:

Right... and who cares? Once again, people don't listen to Dre for his rapping.

They probably hold Dre in high regard because he's one of the best producers of the 90s. Hell, even non-casual fans like your buddy Kanye hold him in high regard.

I have no idea what DJ Premier has to do with anything, but for the record I like the guy.