Outkast anyone? (lyric, metal, pop, rap, albums)

Edgil · 02-19-2004, 04:45 PM

I used to like all varieties of music and listen to all of them until I discovered that most of them are crap so I narrowed down my musical intake to only well performed music than can suffice to the standards of being known as "Musical" .. the fact that you think hip-hop is music is sad to me.. heh

Eltiraaz · 02-19-2004, 07:23 PM

I had this HUGE thing typed up on why hip-hop is a credible genre. It wouldve knocked anyones socks off. Then I hit "close" instead of "expand".

Excuse me while I go pull out my hair. :|

Edgil · 02-20-2004, 12:30 AM

Nothing you will say can change the fact that Rap and Hip-Hop is negative and derogitory. Demeaning women, promoting drugs, violence, and pre-marital sexual relationships, as well as cursing purfusely and being utterly negative in all respects is not my idea of anything you would want to associate yourself with ESPECIALLY not your music.. so please don't say it is "Music"

Ante_Up · 02-20-2004, 02:01 PM

^^^^Your kidding, right?
If you think that hiphop is all about demeaning women, promotiing drugs, violence, etc. and that hiphop is not music, then you are actually clueless. Do your homework loser, then tell me that hiphop is not music
thef*ckouttahere with that sh*t

DJ_Jester · 02-20-2004, 03:43 PM

Rap artists like Kenye West, Black Eyed Peas, Jurassic 5... all good Hip Hop and none of them promote drugs or disrespecting women. But you have Jet singing Cold Hard B**** or Matchbox 20 singing about Pushing girls around. Shall I go out on a limb and say their whole genre is music is negative?

Edgil · 02-20-2004, 04:59 PM

first of all matchbox 20 is a horrible band and Cold Hard Bitch ... that was such a stupid reference that I cannot comment on it. and you telling me to do my homework is just strengthening my point that people that listen to rap and hiphop music are delinquents....yeah but later

DJ_Jester · 02-20-2004, 05:43 PM

Man I learn so much from this guy...

a) women shouldn't sing
b) hip hop is not music
c) people who listen to hip hop are idiots

I really am glad this guy has been adding to these intelligent discussions...

Edgil · 02-20-2004, 09:06 PM

ummm well at least you understand how the world works now

Eltiraaz · 02-20-2004, 10:42 PM

In my shot down response, I had included that:

The vast majority of hip-hop and rap has gone to hell, and back, several times. However you cannot state that the entire genre is corrupt. Artists like The Fugees, they are not about any of the things you've mentioned. You are mistakenly labelling all hip-hop with the false label it gets from people like 50 Cent, and those G-Unit morons. They are not artists, they are record label formed, produced and packaged so that they can sell records, clothing, and everything else under the sun.

"hey this guy is built, he got shot nine times, lets put him in front of a microphone and tell him what to say" that is not how real music is created. However, if you've listen to half the underground hip-hop out there you'll realize that the roots of the genre are pure, and most definatley music.

There are alot of Canadian examples to this. K-OS, perfect. His music is melodical, smooth, hes got an actual voice that he uses to sing about all kinds of valid issues. Just get yout hands on "Heaven only Knows" by K-OS, I guarantee you, that you will think of underground, conscious hip hop differently.

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....you have Jet singing Cold Hard B****

Thats not a good example, that song was written about a relationship that turned sour in my opinion and the guy is realizing, well, how much of a Bitch she was. It is very hard to find rock music that has any of the derogatory, negative messages that mainstream hip-hop contains. Unless of course your talking about rap-rock, which needs to die in a corner. Fast.

djxio · 02-21-2004, 12:45 AM

I find it interesting how someone who claims that all hip hop does is demean women etc etc and that's why it isn't good music can claim in another thread that women flat out shouldn't be in rock/punk bands. hmm now isn't THAT comment demeaning to women? Interesting....

02-19-2004, 04:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
Edgil Musical Dictator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 222	I used to like all varieties of music and listen to all of them until I discovered that most of them are crap so I narrowed down my musical intake to only well performed music than can suffice to the standards of being known as "Musical" .. the fact that you think hip-hop is music is sad to me.. heh __________________ "It's better to try and fail, than to never try at all" - Edgil

02-19-2004, 07:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
Eltiraaz Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 346	I had this HUGE thing typed up on why hip-hop is a credible genre. It wouldve knocked anyones socks off. Then I hit "close" instead of "expand". Excuse me while I go pull out my hair. :\| __________________ Conformity n.(kœn-fôr'mí-tè)- 1. the enemy of friendship.

02-20-2004, 12:30 AM	#23 (permalink)
Edgil Musical Dictator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 222	Nothing you will say can change the fact that Rap and Hip-Hop is negative and derogitory. Demeaning women, promoting drugs, violence, and pre-marital sexual relationships, as well as cursing purfusely and being utterly negative in all respects is not my idea of anything you would want to associate yourself with ESPECIALLY not your music.. so please don't say it is "Music" __________________ "It's better to try and fail, than to never try at all" - Edgil

02-20-2004, 03:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
DJ_Jester Forum Fool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 125	Rap artists like Kenye West, Black Eyed Peas, Jurassic 5... all good Hip Hop and none of them promote drugs or disrespecting women. But you have Jet singing Cold Hard B**** or Matchbox 20 singing about Pushing girls around. Shall I go out on a limb and say their whole genre is music is negative? __________________ << VerveRadio DJ >> Mon: 11PM - 02AM Wed: 08PM - 11PM (All Times Eastern Standard)

02-20-2004, 04:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
Edgil Musical Dictator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 222	first of all matchbox 20 is a horrible band and Cold Hard Bitch ... that was such a stupid reference that I cannot comment on it. and you telling me to do my homework is just strengthening my point that people that listen to rap and hiphop music are delinquents....yeah but later __________________ "It's better to try and fail, than to never try at all" - Edgil

02-20-2004, 02:01 PM	#24 (permalink)
Ante_Up Hip Hop Fiend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 135	^^^^Your kidding, right? If you think that hiphop is all about demeaning women, promotiing drugs, violence, etc. and that hiphop is not music, then you are actually clueless. Do your homework loser, then tell me that hiphop is not music thefckouttahere with that sht

02-20-2004, 05:43 PM	#27 (permalink)
DJ_Jester Forum Fool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 125	Man I learn so much from this guy... a) women shouldn't sing b) hip hop is not music c) people who listen to hip hop are idiots I really am glad this guy has been adding to these intelligent discussions... __________________ << VerveRadio DJ >> Mon: 11PM - 02AM Wed: 08PM - 11PM (All Times Eastern Standard)

02-20-2004, 09:06 PM	#28 (permalink)
Edgil Musical Dictator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 222	ummm well at least you understand how the world works now __________________ "It's better to try and fail, than to never try at all" - Edgil

02-21-2004, 12:45 AM	#30 (permalink)
djxio Groupie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: so cal Posts: 22	I find it interesting how someone who claims that all hip hop does is demean women etc etc and that's why it isn't good music can claim in another thread that women flat out shouldn't be in rock/punk bands. hmm now isn't THAT comment demeaning to women? Interesting.... __________________ I Dj here--->http://www.ververadio.com