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djchameleon 07-09-2013 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1341891)
Wow i cant believe what i just read. ive though his hooks have been weak at times but as far as lyricism and rhyme scheme he's one of the best of all time. ive hear dpeople say they dont like eminem but to say he has no talent?? i cant even believe you are serious right now.
Don't mind Maanky ignore his thoughts on Eminem and certain other rappers that he just doesn't like. He will go above and beyond to slag them off.

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1341796)
Who has Eminem really gotten into it with, though?

No one really significant as far as I can tell.
Exactly my POINT! lol

They end up fading off into obscurity.

Christina Aguilera
Insane Clown Posse
Ja Rule
Michael Jackson
Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon
Moby
Benzino and The Source
Everlast and Limp Bizkit
Canibus
Cage

i just found this list, the only ones that I clearly remembered was Ja Rule, ICP, Canibus , Moby and Everlast. Oh yeah and Mariah Carey recently.

14232949 07-09-2013 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1341891)
Wow i cant believe what i just read. ive though his hooks have been weak at times but as far as lyricism and rhyme scheme he's one of the best of all time. ive hear dpeople say they dont like eminem but to say he has no talent?? i cant even believe you are serious right now.
his lyricism is either cringeworthy, unfunny or just ridiculous depending on which one of his persona's he brings to the dance.
When he tries to be sincere, I groan. When he tries to be a comedian, I groan. His voice has actually been used as a form of torture.
His hooks are often the worst part. He's a walking gimmick that inspired a cult following of mindless idiots and I'm glad he seems to be lying dormant at the moment.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1341922)

Christina Aguilera - Mindless Pop star. Label wouldn't get her involved in mindless name calling.
Insane Clown Posse - Moronic group of disleveled individuals that EVERYONE in this planet has taking a shot at
Ja Rule - Weak ass rapper.
Michael Jackson - Eminem gave MJ stick about the child abuse accusations the same time everyone else did. Jacko ignored every media outlet at the time regarding them, it's not as if he was going to respond to Eminem's immature jibes. It's not in his persona to lower himself to it.
Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon - Mariah Carey won this beef in my eyes. She had a moderately successful single and parody of Eminem in the music video. Eminem just ended up looking like a jealous former boyfriend who she kicked to the curb.
Moby - Producer who was largely irrelevant when Eminem verbally attacked him. Never likely to respond.
Benzino and The Source - Not the first person to take shots at The Source, not the last. A magazine won't get in any wars with an artist.
Everlast and Limp Bizkit - Surprised Eminem had a go at them, they're dumb wiggers just like him. Too dumb to muster a meaningful response.
Canibus - Never lived up to the hype his fanboys create for him.
Cage - Eminem denied this beef, probably knowing Cage would wipe the floor with him.
Eminem's a brave man when it comes to picking beefs.

Cuthbert 07-09-2013 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1341861)
Eminem is just abysmal.
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If he ever feuded with someone with an ounce of talent or lyricism he'd get destroyed.
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his flow is horribly messy.
Eminem is overrated but this is ridiculous, nobody can seriously think his flow is messy ffs :D

As for the feuding point, has anyone half decent even tried it with him? I can't think of anyone.


Mos Def, Roots, Eminem - The Cypher ( Full Video + Lyrics ) - YouTube

No way is he abysmal.

14232949 07-09-2013 06:43 PM
it's almost as if he ignores the fact he's rapping in time to a beat and just uses his same pattern of
(say in a loud irritating voice)
"i'm over there
oh now I'm other there"
It's hard to describe over the internet but if you can imagine how that sounds, the lyrics obviously aren't his but they fit his rhyming scheme.

Cuthbert 07-09-2013 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1341979)
it's almost as if he ignores the fact he's rapping in time to a beat and just uses his same pattern of
(say in a loud irritating voice)
"i'm over there
oh now I'm other there"
It's hard to describe over the internet but if you can imagine how that sounds, the lyrics obviously aren't his but they fit his rhyming scheme.

Jay-Z Renegade ft Eminem - YouTube


Eminem - Criminal - YouTube


D-12 - **** On You - YouTube

His flow is up there with anyone's, to say it's messy is simply not true. It might be these days but 1998-2002ish it was on point.

You can slate him for regurgitating the same tired jokes over and over and I agree with you he's cringeworthy when he tries to be 'deep' but he is one of the greatest at rhyming. Whether you like his content or not that is one of the factors of a good MC.

I see what you're saying with the over here/there bit. He does that on **** on You but it's hardly a criticism.

kealyboy 07-09-2013 10:24 PM
Biggie - Duet's

Much better than Ready to Die and Life After Death. Just beats Born Again imv.

John Wilkes Booth 07-09-2013 10:55 PM
Master P - Ice Cream Man

I'm thinking about tic-toc boom. There goes another one. Send him too the moon. Aint no rocket ship bitch... its the temple of doom.

djchameleon 07-09-2013 10:57 PM
lol Why'd you even bother trying to convince Maanky? Fluffy, it's really a waste of time.

Mightyer 07-09-2013 11:35 PM
18th letter is a huge one. Raw and blue note revisited as well.

Cuthbert 07-10-2013 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1342059)
lol Why'd you even bother trying to convince Maanky? Fluffy, it's really a waste of time.
Not sure. Eminem certainly has his faults (doing tracks with fucking Bruno Mars and Rihanna after his rant against pop music on 'Marshall Mathers' for example) but I thought some of the points were just plain wrong.

I think he can be quite funny sometimes tbh. I lol'd at:

A lot of people say I'm misogynistic which is true/
I don't deny it, matter of fact, I stand by it/

& I find it funny that he actually managed to wind so many people up when his lyrics are just so obviously taking the piss (he even says he's joking at the end of Kill You and feminist groups still went mad at that song ffs :D)

I'm going through my iTunes atm and he's actually had his moments at being 'deep' imo. Rock Bottom was particularly good, as was Kim. Stan was an undeniably good concept as well, you now hear people being referred to as Stans if they bum an artist too hard.

He's made a lot of shit but he's made some gems as well.

Forward To Death 07-10-2013 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1341922)
Don't mind Maanky ignore his thoughts on Eminem and certain other rappers that he just doesn't like. He will go above and beyond to slag them off.



Exactly my POINT! lol

They end up fading off into obscurity.

Christina Aguilera
Insane Clown Posse
Ja Rule
Michael Jackson
Mariah Carey and Nick Cannon
Moby
Benzino and The Source
Everlast and Limp Bizkit
Canibus
Cage

i just found this list, the only ones that I clearly remembered was Ja Rule, ICP, Canibus , Moby and Everlast. Oh yeah and Mariah Carey recently.
Well my point was that almost all of them are talentless hacks that would be easy to pick on. None of them faded into obscurity (aside from maybe Ja Rule) because of Em.

Seriously, Moby? Dude has never released a decent album, and his only really big hit was like 15 years ago. ICP is popular with mallcore kids. Everlast? The guy from House Of Pain, aka Cypress Hill for white teenagers.

SGR 07-10-2013 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1342058)
Master P - Ice Cream Man

I'm thinking about tic-toc boom. There goes another one. Send him too the moon. Aint no rocket ship bitch... its the temple of doom.
Haha, you just dropped the opinion that Master P has a masterpiece. You're lucky, if these ladies weren't so busy bitching about Eminem, someone would try and tear you apart. I don't think any No Limit album is a masterpiece, but Ice Cream Man is a good album. 'Tru 2 Da Game' is probably a bit better though.


djchameleon 07-10-2013 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1342187)
Well my point was that almost all of them are talentless hacks that would be easy to pick on. None of them faded into obscurity (aside from maybe Ja Rule) because of Em.

Seriously, Moby? Dude has never released a decent album, and his only really big hit was like 15 years ago. ICP is popular with mallcore kids. Everlast? The guy from House Of Pain, aka Cypress Hill for white teenagers.
It doesn't matter how worth of an opponent he chooses to pick beefs with. Beefs are just stupid controversies to get the fans riled up in anticipation of an upcoming release and purely promotion.

Ja Rule faded into obscurity, Canibus as well. Benzino isn't around anymore. Royce dropped off the map for a bit after beefing with Em.

jonkase 07-10-2013 05:46 AM
I would have to go with this for the instrumentals alone! -

http://oi40.tinypic.com/rbgxhs.jpg

John Wilkes Booth 07-10-2013 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1342193)
Haha, you just dropped the opinion that Master P has a masterpiece. You're lucky, if these ladies weren't so busy bitching about Eminem, someone would try and tear you apart.
I don't think any No Limit album is a masterpiece, but Ice Cream Man is a good album. 'Tru 2 Da Game' is probably a bit better though.

Good video. TRU also recorded this masterpiece, which is the greatest music video of all time.

qj4KulMiXkM

Forward To Death 07-12-2013 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1342194)
It doesn't matter how worth of an opponent he chooses to pick beefs with. Beefs are just stupid controversies to get the fans riled up in anticipation of an upcoming release and purely promotion.

Ja Rule faded into obscurity, Canibus as well. Benzino isn't around anymore. Royce dropped off the map for a bit after beefing with Em.
I think there's a perfectly good explanation for all of the above falling off the map, and it wasn't Eminem destroying them either.

Honestly, Ja Rule was going to fall off. He got famous for doing backing vocals, and Busta Rhymes' impersonation of him on Hail Mary was the perfect insult, because it was really his career in a nutshell.

I've listened to Eminem since "My Name Is", and actually, the Slim Shady LP might've been the first CD I ever bought. I LOVE Eminem, but he didn't end anyone's career. Beefing is so stupid, Nas killed Jay-Z on "Ether", and Jay-Z is still way more popular, and Nas has kind of fallen off the map since.

Btw:



If you've never heard it. I'm sure most of you have, but it's actually not bad. One of the few instances where I can tolerate 50 Cent.

Necromancer 07-16-2013 09:46 AM
Been meaning to post this one:

Funkmaster Red 08-06-2013 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1342193)

LOL OOOOh **** now this takes me back to my freshman year of high-school!

SGR 08-06-2013 04:47 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...theheavens.jpg

Would you all agree that this is a masterpiece?

Antonio 08-09-2013 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1353812)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...theheavens.jpg

Would you all agree that this is a masterpiece?
I would actually say yes! It's one of the albums that really sold me on the genre as a whole and is still a joy to listen to today.

SGR 08-09-2013 05:39 AM
^Alright!

I actually just recently bought it sealed on vinyl for $70 haha!

Soulflower 08-09-2013 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1343486)
I think there's a perfectly good explanation for all of the above falling off the map, and it wasn't Eminem destroying them either.

Honestly, Ja Rule was going to fall off. He got famous for doing backing vocals, and Busta Rhymes' impersonation of him on Hail Mary was the perfect insult, because it was really his career in a nutshell.

I've listened to Eminem since "My Name Is", and actually, the Slim Shady LP might've been the first CD I ever bought. I LOVE Eminem, but he didn't end anyone's career. Beefing is so stupid, Nas killed Jay-Z on "Ether", and Jay-Z is still way more popular, and Nas has kind of fallen off the map since.

Btw:



If you've never heard it. I'm sure most of you have, but it's actually not bad. One of the few instances where I can tolerate 50 Cent.

Rap battles are not about "whose more popular". Its about how clever and hard they come on the mic and Nas killed him on Ether. Popularity or not he has the street cred which is more important anyway.

Beefing in general is dumb especially if your just trying to pick fights with people. Eminem was at his best with his first two albums and just fell way off lyrically and artistically. Its such a shame because he is so talented.

SGR 08-09-2013 11:42 AM
http://respecta.net/uploads/posts/20..._retail_cd.jpg

How bout this album?

John Wilkes Booth 08-12-2013 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1343486)
I think there's a perfectly good explanation for all of the above falling off the map, and it wasn't Eminem destroying them either.

Honestly, Ja Rule was going to fall off. He got famous for doing backing vocals, and Busta Rhymes' impersonation of him on Hail Mary was the perfect insult, because it was really his career in a nutshell.

I've listened to Eminem since "My Name Is", and actually, the Slim Shady LP might've been the first CD I ever bought. I LOVE Eminem, but he didn't end anyone's career. Beefing is so stupid, Nas killed Jay-Z on "Ether", and Jay-Z is still way more popular, and Nas has kind of fallen off the map since.

Btw:



If you've never heard it. I'm sure most of you have, but it's actually not bad. One of the few instances where I can tolerate 50 Cent.
Nas fell off the map before their beef. It was Ether that revived his career... temporarily.

I think Jay's BP2 diss was actually harder hitting than Ether.. but of course by the time that was released Nas had already won in the eyes of the masses.

Surell 08-16-2013 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1355142)
^Alright!

I actually just recently bought it sealed on vinyl for $70 haha!
Christ amighty! but that's mad sick though.

SGR 08-16-2013 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1357770)
Christ amighty! but that's mad sick though.
Haha, more than what you'd be willing to pay then? ;)

Surell 08-16-2013 10:40 PM
only because i don't know that album. to pay that for something like "Hollinndagain" though is absolutely possible, dare i say probable even.

SGR 08-17-2013 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1358055)
only because i don't know that album. to pay that for something like "Hollinndagain" though is absolutely possible, dare i say probable even.
Ah, OK. Well definitely check the album out when you get a chance. :)

Gavin B. 08-17-2013 09:22 AM
Greatest Hip Hop Album Ever

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...tsfrontvk9.jpg

Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space) by Digable Planets (1993)

Soda Pop Fu 08-22-2013 12:03 AM
I always felt Jeru's Wrath of the Math got super slept on. A lot of critics even said his first album was better which shocked me. Wrath was one of the most socially conscious hip hop albums I've ever heard, and the production was on point with all types of unique and abstract beats. Correct me if im wrong (but go listen to The Frustrated N*gga first).

Cuthbert 08-30-2013 09:30 AM
Fantastic Damage or The Cold Vein

Which is better.

Listened to FD earlier and listening to TCV now, leaning toward the latter.

SteelyDan 08-31-2013 05:32 AM
Imma side with Fantastic Damage though it's been a while since I heard The Cold Vein whereas I listened to Fantastic Damage last week so it's fresher in my mind.

SGR 08-31-2013 06:48 AM
^It's been a while since I listened to either of them, I'll have to give em both a respin. Great albums though.

Goofle 08-31-2013 11:23 AM
Fantastic Damage is a lot better than The Cold Vein. Not really close.

Cuthbert 08-31-2013 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1363367)
Fantastic Damage is a lot better than The Cold Vein. Not really close.
Why? FD is hard to get into but I appreciate it now, the production is nuts.

Cuthbert 08-31-2013 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ThatDamnTroll (Post 1363380)
ThatDamnTroll
Agreed mate, fantastic molecular breakdown of both albums. You had me hooked from beginning to end.

Would rep if there was a rep system.

Goofle 08-31-2013 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian Benteke (Post 1363369)
Why? FD is hard to get into but I appreciate it now, the production is nuts.
Better production and lyrics. To me, one is very good, the other is an all-time masterwork of music.

djchameleon 09-01-2013 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1363367)
Fantastic Damage is a lot better than The Cold Vein. Not really close.
Agreed! What's wrong with yous?

Deviouz 09-01-2013 05:59 AM
The 7 Day Theory [2Pac]

derek 09-01-2013 06:08 PM


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