I am very dissapointed that DUB/REGGAE/CUT N PASTE is not mentioned more in this genre-it is virtually the catalyst for rap/hip hop-bar none!

Haha, I was just talking about Afrika Bambaata with a friend.

There's alot of stuf about the history of hip-hop that has been axed in Wikipedia. Thanks for that beginning post, HWMG.

Over-rated... :/

something about d.i.t.c. (showbiz & a.g., big l, lord finesse, o.c., etc)
dipset (cam'ron, juelz, j.r., rell, jones, etc) and d-block (styles, jada, hood) on the modern side. lil wayne as a solo artist too
london **** SLICK RICK. and current grime and dubstep stuff
i dunno, maybe some of that, i could go on but for what it is, that write up covers most of it. nice

Can anyone tell me why you like rap? ( with the exception of N.W.A. becuase they're hardcore)

You forgot LL Cool J. Definitely an important part of the early sound, at least in the 'New School' Def Jam stage of the movement.

You Left Off Alot Of The Early Pioneers Like
West Coast
Ice T Was The First To Come Out In The West.

Also Some Of The Early East Coast Artists Were Kool Moe Dee
Treacherous Three,sequence,funky Four Plus One More,utfo,

Ll Cool J First Rap Slow Song To Go Number 1.

because its f*cking great?
lyrically, musically. the raw emotion and social consciousness in rap music is what draws me to it.

political rock/folk is eh. some of it is really good, but most of it is cheesy and overdone.
political/socially conscious rap music is a match made in heaven.

Also,
A Tribe Called Quest

Also,
"West Coast" and Ice T were not pioneers. They were just the first to get popular. And Ice T was more famous for his hardocre punk band than his rapping.

nicely written

Anyone want me to write something on the difference between hip-hop and rap? I'm not sure everyone knows it, but there's nothing the original post.

how about you?

Hip Hop: Essentially cut and paste backing music, used in many musical styles besides rap.
Rap: Rhyming over beats.

It's a little more complicated but that's the basic's. Hip hop has a whole sub-culture attached to it as well.

Jesus Christ you're a moron.

I'm right.

No, you're not. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen one post of yours in which a single statement ever wasn't easily one of the most insanely idiotic things I had ever heard. At no point in any of your rambling, incoherent responses are you ever close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum grows dumber and dumber with your each and every post.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Once again I'm right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_hip_hop_music

As I said it's slightly more complicated, but my post got the basic idea.

Rap (as a genre) and Hip-Hop are the same fucking thing.

Anyway, once again, don't tell me you actually took that seriously?

No they're not. Rap refers exclusively to the emceeing.

Will you quit splitting hairs about genres in every single f*cking thread

Well, this is the rap education thread...

yes , not the i'm right , your wrong ,spam , spam , spam , look at wikipedia thread.

Go get mad at Wayfarer, god. He's the one breaking the rules.

definately an interesting article.

chris brown
 

interesting article

No, they aren't.
Hip hop is the entire subculture that rap emerged from, and that, in turn, rap helped forge.

About time real recognized real

My god that is an exhaustive introduction. Well done.

This is a genre that I really loved when I was younger and I would like to get enjoy again. But it has changed, evolved I suppose into something that generally doesn't interest me. It seems, and maybe I'm wrong here, that the stories in the songs have deteriorated and the topics are pretty much the same from rapper to rapper. Lots of glorification of pimping (which just cracks me up because this has always been a punchline not a badge of honor), objectification of the female of the species, ostentatious jewelry and lots of gold studded canines (both the tooth and dog).

In short it has left me behind and that is ok. When Run D.M.C., N.W.A., Ice-T, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Ice Cube and others like that became outdated I did too.

I have to disagree with you here, he who seeks will find- it's not too hard to find hip-hop that hasn't been infected with the virus of corporate B.S. I dunno, maybe you just mean the hip-pop played so often on the radio but by no means has hip-hop become exclusively pimps and ho's.
Try: Mos Def ("Black on Both Sides" is one of my personal favs but don't bother giving his other two albums a full listen), Blackalicious, The Roots, Common (old-school stuff and "Be"), Lupe Fiasco, etc... there's plenty of variety.

BIG shrimp


Do I win?

After reading that introduction again I found one problem. Easy-E was easily the biggest member of NWA. Even Dre was first to admit it.

Eh, Dre and Snoop destroyed Eazy E on "****** with Dre Day", and Ice Cube got em all with "No Vaseline". Combine that with both of their more prominent solo careers, and I'd agree with the post as is.

Thats beside the point though. When the original NWA lineup was n full force they considered Easy and Ice Cube the fathers of it all.

Eh, how I'm reading it is stating who was the most prominent after NWA, and that is easily Dre and Ice Cube. Both of them can be argued as top 10-20 rappers...Eazy E can't be.

Eazee Street: NWA Documentary - VH1

Those interviews is what im referencing.

...wtf does that have to do with anything? Did you even watch that video?

Yes, its a 2 hour documentary not that video clip im talking about. In it there are interviews with everyone from Death Row and anyone else associated. Almost all of them state clearly that Easy and Ice were the leader of NWA. They all looked up to easy as a big brother.

Disagree all you want, but what im saying is straight from an interview with each member from NWA, including there producer.

I'm sure most would agree Eazy was a leader [****, he had the contract rights for NWA and all the rappers were signed onto Ruthless Records] he wasn't one of the two most prominent members. Dre and Ice would easily be the top two, and both had more prominent careers than Eazy [and where more talented].

thanks for sharing!