Worst 3 Rappers of All Time?

Kirby · 12-07-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

the evidence is the ****in music. do you even know what i mean by being bad lyrically? i'm talking lyricism. you know, multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming ect ect.. the key to poetry and rap. The difference between a bad rapper and a good rapper.

if you think this...

"I murder a rhyme one word at a time
You never, heard of a mind as perverted as mine
You better, get rid of that nine, it ain't gonna help
What good's it gonna do against a man that strangles himself?"

and this...

"I feel like I'm walking a tight rope, without a circus net
I'm popping perkasets, I'm a nervous wreck
I deserve respect; but I work a sweat for this worthless check
Bout to burst this tech, at somebody to reverse this debt
Minimum wage got my adrenaline caged
Full of venom and rage
Especially when I'm engaged
And my daughter's down to her last diaper
That's got my ass hyper
I pray that god answers, maybe I'll ask nicer"

is comparable to...

this...

"Locked in Mariah's wine cellar all I had for lunch, Was red wine, more red wine, and captain crunch,
Red wine for breakfast and for brunch, And to soak it up and in between snack, crackers to munch,
Mariah, what's ever happened to us, why did we have to break up, All I asked for was a glass of punch,
You see, I never really ask for much,
I can't imagine what's going through your mind after such,
A nasty breakup with that Laftin Hunkler, Weisman Gale, Nick Cannon better back the **** up,"

and this...

"All my west side bitches throw it up Put a balloon inside your pussy... queef and blow it up
Man I think that he just fell off the teeth and showing up
So you better change the station
To keep from throwing up Man you seen it all before your all too familiar with it
There's a penis on the floor and two balls so you know who did it
You know you with it girl don't front, oh no you didn't I won right by the pussy cat dolls when call you kitten
I'll pee on rihanna see man I do what I wanna
Spray perfume in the sauna room
crazy glue in Madonna to The lazy boy so called fold her in two and sit on her
Imagine if visual for that man Who would've thoughta
Could ever be such a relentless prick
And leashin his fingers For the chicks who waltz
She looks like she outlived her life sentence I never meant this, rhyme to be so offensive
If you werent so defensive it wouldn't be
Your so sensitive

Then lyricism is something either you don't understand or choose to ignore.

The difference between eminem up until 2002 and eminem today is like the difference between Big L and 50 cent or Big pun and chamillionaire.

Yes, relapse was a step up from encore but that doesn't make it good. If the sh!t i took this morning looks nicer than the sh!t i took last night it doesn't make this mornings sh!t a work of ****in art.

Even if you didn't like the content of the album (the lyrics), you can't say Eminem is less talented in how he sets up, and delivers, his lyrics. It's like what Bane and Dreadnaught said.

Relapse was more of a fun album for Eminem. I know I'm not alone when I say, I got tired of having every single song from Eminem being 100% serious. Even though those songs are good, he was always one of my favorites because he always mixed up the serious songs, and hilarious/controversial songs.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-07-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Then lyricism is something either you don't understand or choose to ignore.

No, it's just I'm not an ass hole and know what he was going for on those albums.

"Locked in Mariah's wine cellar all I had for lunch, Was red wine, more red wine, and captain crunch,
Red wine for breakfast and for brunch, And to soak it up and in between snack, crackers to munch,
Mariah, what's ever happened to us, why did we have to break up, All I asked for was a glass of punch,
You see, I never really ask for much,
I can't imagine what's going through your mind after such,
A nasty breakup with that Laftin Hunkler, Weisman Gale, Nick Cannon better back the **** up,"

This was great given his history with Mariah Carry. It just takes some insight sonny boy.

Captain Awesome · 12-07-2009, 04:40 PM

none of you know anything about lyricism do you?

im not talking about WHAT he's saying i'm talking about HOW he's saying it.

internal rhymes, offbeat rhymes, multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming, metaphors, wordplay, personification, hyperbole, similies, double entendres does any of this mean anything to you people?...i could continue the list but i feel like i'm wasting my time.

Eminem is talking about the same **** he's always been talking about (pissing off celebrities, taking drugs, crazy horror ****) the difference is in the lyricism. He no longer displays any sort of lyrical ability. Plus his delivery is poor. The only thing that stayed on point was his flow.

Up until 2002 eminem was (in my opinion) one of the greatest lyricists hip hop has ever had. But now, he sucks.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-07-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

none of you know anything about lyricism do you?

im not talking about WHAT he's saying i'm talking about HOW he's saying it.

internal rhymes, offbeat rhymes, multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming, metaphors, wordplay, personification, hyperbole, similies, double entendres does any of this mean anything to you people?...i could continue the list but i feel like i'm wasting my time.

Eminem is talking about the same **** he's always been talking about (pissing off celebrities, taking drugs, crazy horror ****) the difference is in the lyricism. He no longer displays any sort of lyrical ability. Plus his delivery is poor. The only thing that stayed on point was his flow.

Up until 2002 eminem was (in my opinion) one of the greatest lyricists hip hop has ever had. But now, he sucks.

Yes. I, being a rapper, know nothing about lyricism. I didn't bring it up because who the hell cares if he doesn't feel compelled to show off?

Kirby · 12-07-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

none of you know anything about lyricism do you?

im not talking about WHAT he's saying i'm talking about HOW he's saying it.

internal rhymes, offbeat rhymes, multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming, metaphors, wordplay, personification, hyperbole, similies, double entendres does any of this mean anything to you people?...i could continue the list but i feel like i'm wasting my time.

Eminem is talking about the same **** he's always been talking about (pissing off celebrities, taking drugs, crazy horror ****) the difference is in the lyricism. He no longer displays any sort of lyrical ability. Plus his delivery is poor. The only thing that stayed on point was his flow.

Up until 2002 eminem was (in my opinion) one of the greatest lyricists hip hop has ever had. But now, he sucks.

We know what lyricism is.
You're just acting like a troll, so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

I (and I'm sure everyone else) knows that eminem IS NOT AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE. But that doesn't make him one of the worst ever.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 12-07-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirby

We know what lyricism is.
You're just acting like a troll, so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

I (and I'm sure everyone else) knows that eminem IS NOT AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE. But that doesn't make him one of the worst ever.

And like I was saying, he's still more dope than 90% of the other mainstream rappers.

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Captain Awesome · 12-08-2009, 02:30 AM

Conan you claim to be a rapper but i find that hard to believe if you think eminems music is good now. Either you're another idiot who thinks anyone can rap or you choose to ignore the fact eminems lyricism has gone so far down hill it's now on par with 50 cent.

"I didn't bring it up because who the hell cares if he doesn't feel compelled to show off?"

if you were actually a rapper or knew anything about that you wouldn't have said that.^

rap is all about lyricism. or it was, until these rich bastards sucked all the love, passion and skill from it and turned it into this mindless bull**** we see today on tv.

and how am i acting like a troll? i'm not trying to start an arguement, you people just seem to base good rap and bad rap on stupid **** instead of what it's about - lyricism.

"it might sound good when he spits it out, but would it mean anything if you looked at it written down."

Bane of your existence · 12-08-2009, 07:22 AM

What you don't seem to get is that "good music" is subjective. This is coming from someone who listens to a lot of punk. Do I think The Descendents are bad because they sing about vaginas and farting? Fuck no. The Descendents>your soul. So irreverent lyrics don't constitute bad music. His last jaunt was genuinelly funny. So as far as lyrics go, they were very good... in my opinion.

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multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming, metaphors, wordplay, personification, hyperbole, similies, double entendres

Dude is fantastic at all of these as well.

Now you want to stumble in here and act like you know something. You don't. If you did, you would understand that at the very least, Eminem belongs no where near any 'worst rappers of all time' list.

Captain Awesome · 12-08-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bane of your existence

What you don't seem to get is that "good music" is subjective. This is coming from someone who listens to a lot of punk. Do I think The Descendents are bad because they sing about vaginas and farting? Fuck no. The Descendents>your soul. So irreverent lyrics don't constitute bad music. His last jaunt was genuinelly funny. So as far as lyrics go, they were very good... in my opinion.

Dude is fantastic at all of these as well.

Now you want to stumble in here and act like you know something. You don't. If you did, you would understand that at the very least, Eminem belongs no where near any 'worst rappers of all time' list.

I didn't say he deserved to be in the worst rappers of all time, someone else did. I was defending him.

Eminem up to 2002/3 - one of the greatest lyricists rap has ever seen (the best in my personal opinion). After 2002/3 his lyricism went down hill and is now nonexistent. Therefore making him about as lyrically talented as 50cent or any of the other talentless mainstream rappers - take your pick, spoiled for choice.

Good rap is based on how good a lyricist you are. It's very simple.

Perhaps (since none of you seem to have a clue about rap) i can try and turn this into something you might be able to relate to - rock for example.

Busted were a popular band, there music was catchy and millions of people around the world enjoyed listening to them. Guns n Roses were a popular band and millions of people enjoyed listening to them. The difference is that guns n roses are/were technically good. They had a great guitarist a good drummer ect. Busted were talentless. Just because it sounds good and sells records doesn't make it good music. Yes you might personally enjoy it and you think it is good, fine. But that doesn't mean it's technically good.

I love watching steven seagal and vin diesel movies. As movies, the scripts tend to be horrible and the acting far below average. Technically they are not good movies, but i enjoy them.

How is it that noone here can see the difference between bad rap and good rap?

Eminem was a phenomenal rapper. Now he is a terrible rapper. Great pop star, great entertainer but shockingly bad rapper (although not in the 3 worst of all time).

12-07-2009, 04:40 PM	#143 (permalink)
Captain Awesome On A Rampage Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 317	none of you know anything about lyricism do you? im not talking about WHAT he's saying i'm talking about HOW he's saying it. internal rhymes, offbeat rhymes, multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming, metaphors, wordplay, personification, hyperbole, similies, double entendres does any of this mean anything to you people?...i could continue the list but i feel like i'm wasting my time. Eminem is talking about the same ** he's always been talking about (pissing off celebrities, taking drugs, crazy horror **) the difference is in the lyricism. He no longer displays any sort of lyrical ability. Plus his delivery is poor. The only thing that stayed on point was his flow. Up until 2002 eminem was (in my opinion) one of the greatest lyricists hip hop has ever had. But now, he sucks. __________________ "If we're all merely players in a play on this great stage, the problem is the script writers ain't on the same page, I echo through the mountain when I'm singing in the air, from my lab a lad with lavish lyrics living in his lair." "Wake up and listen, hear what's not for the public's ears Pinocchio poets played by profiting puppeteers"

12-08-2009, 02:30 AM	#148 (permalink)
Captain Awesome On A Rampage Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 317	Conan you claim to be a rapper but i find that hard to believe if you think eminems music is good now. Either you're another idiot who thinks anyone can rap or you choose to ignore the fact eminems lyricism has gone so far down hill it's now on par with 50 cent. "I didn't bring it up because who the hell cares if he doesn't feel compelled to show off?" if you were actually a rapper or knew anything about that you wouldn't have said that.^ rap is all about lyricism. or it was, until these rich bastards sucked all the love, passion and skill from it and turned it into this mindless bull** we see today on tv. and how am i acting like a troll? i'm not trying to start an arguement, you people just seem to base good rap and bad rap on stupid ** instead of what it's about - lyricism. "it might sound good when he spits it out, but would it mean anything if you looked at it written down." __________________ "If we're all merely players in a play on this great stage, the problem is the script writers ain't on the same page, I echo through the mountain when I'm singing in the air, from my lab a lad with lavish lyrics living in his lair." "Wake up and listen, hear what's not for the public's ears Pinocchio poets played by profiting puppeteers"

12-08-2009, 12:00 AM	#147 (permalink)
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