Even if you didn't like the content of the album (the lyrics), you can't say Eminem is less talented in how he sets up, and delivers, his lyrics. It's like what Bane and Dreadnaught said.

Relapse was more of a fun album for Eminem. I know I'm not alone when I say, I got tired of having every single song from Eminem being 100% serious. Even though those songs are good, he was always one of my favorites because he always mixed up the serious songs, and hilarious/controversial songs.

No, it's just I'm not an ass hole and know what he was going for on those albums.

"Locked in Mariah's wine cellar all I had for lunch, Was red wine, more red wine, and captain crunch,
Red wine for breakfast and for brunch, And to soak it up and in between snack, crackers to munch,
Mariah, what's ever happened to us, why did we have to break up, All I asked for was a glass of punch,
You see, I never really ask for much,
I can't imagine what's going through your mind after such,
A nasty breakup with that Laftin Hunkler, Weisman Gale, Nick Cannon better back the **** up,"

This was great given his history with Mariah Carry. It just takes some insight sonny boy.

none of you know anything about lyricism do you?

im not talking about WHAT he's saying i'm talking about HOW he's saying it.

internal rhymes, offbeat rhymes, multiple syllable rhyming, alliteration, assonance rhyming, metaphors, wordplay, personification, hyperbole, similies, double entendres does any of this mean anything to you people?...i could continue the list but i feel like i'm wasting my time.

Eminem is talking about the same **** he's always been talking about (pissing off celebrities, taking drugs, crazy horror ****) the difference is in the lyricism. He no longer displays any sort of lyrical ability. Plus his delivery is poor. The only thing that stayed on point was his flow.


Up until 2002 eminem was (in my opinion) one of the greatest lyricists hip hop has ever had. But now, he sucks.

Yes. I, being a rapper, know nothing about lyricism. I didn't bring it up because who the hell cares if he doesn't feel compelled to show off?

We know what lyricism is.
You're just acting like a troll, so it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

I (and I'm sure everyone else) knows that eminem IS NOT AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE. But that doesn't make him one of the worst ever.

And like I was saying, he's still more dope than 90% of the other mainstream rappers.

lil bowwow
SOULJA BOI
yo momma

Conan you claim to be a rapper but i find that hard to believe if you think eminems music is good now. Either you're another idiot who thinks anyone can rap or you choose to ignore the fact eminems lyricism has gone so far down hill it's now on par with 50 cent.

"I didn't bring it up because who the hell cares if he doesn't feel compelled to show off?"

if you were actually a rapper or knew anything about that you wouldn't have said that.^

rap is all about lyricism. or it was, until these rich bastards sucked all the love, passion and skill from it and turned it into this mindless bull**** we see today on tv.

and how am i acting like a troll? i'm not trying to start an arguement, you people just seem to base good rap and bad rap on stupid **** instead of what it's about - lyricism.

"it might sound good when he spits it out, but would it mean anything if you looked at it written down."

What you don't seem to get is that "good music" is subjective. This is coming from someone who listens to a lot of punk. Do I think The Descendents are bad because they sing about vaginas and farting? Fuck no. The Descendents>your soul. So irreverent lyrics don't constitute bad music. His last jaunt was genuinelly funny. So as far as lyrics go, they were very good... in my opinion.


Dude is fantastic at all of these as well.

Now you want to stumble in here and act like you know something. You don't. If you did, you would understand that at the very least, Eminem belongs no where near any 'worst rappers of all time' list.

I didn't say he deserved to be in the worst rappers of all time, someone else did. I was defending him.

Eminem up to 2002/3 - one of the greatest lyricists rap has ever seen (the best in my personal opinion). After 2002/3 his lyricism went down hill and is now nonexistent. Therefore making him about as lyrically talented as 50cent or any of the other talentless mainstream rappers - take your pick, spoiled for choice.

Good rap is based on how good a lyricist you are. It's very simple.

Perhaps (since none of you seem to have a clue about rap) i can try and turn this into something you might be able to relate to - rock for example.

Busted were a popular band, there music was catchy and millions of people around the world enjoyed listening to them. Guns n Roses were a popular band and millions of people enjoyed listening to them. The difference is that guns n roses are/were technically good. They had a great guitarist a good drummer ect. Busted were talentless. Just because it sounds good and sells records doesn't make it good music. Yes you might personally enjoy it and you think it is good, fine. But that doesn't mean it's technically good.

I love watching steven seagal and vin diesel movies. As movies, the scripts tend to be horrible and the acting far below average. Technically they are not good movies, but i enjoy them.

How is it that noone here can see the difference between bad rap and good rap?

Eminem was a phenomenal rapper. Now he is a terrible rapper. Great pop star, great entertainer but shockingly bad rapper (although not in the 3 worst of all time).