Greatest Pop-Punk Albums

**Frownland** · 01-02-2021, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

this is just not even the same genre as pop punk, again

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**Marie Monday** · 01-02-2021, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

is that the dividing line?

Sex Pistols are on like Guitar Hero, they're pretty damn palatable

the term "pop punk" is for when you're talking about Avril Lavigne

the word is totally meaningless if you're trying to split hairs between OG punk bands

it's certainly not a dividing line, just an example that came to mind. Not a very good example, I'll admit that. Of course the Sex Pistols are accessible too; so are many metal bands which certainly aren't pop. There is clearly a difference in attitude and sound with the Ramones/Buzzcocks; a difference sufficiently big that I wouldn't call it splitting hairs. I find writing about music hard so I'm not good at explaining it but I think you know what I mean

**Frownland** · 01-02-2021, 05:11 PM

Pop punk was coined in 1977. Ridiculously prescient if elph's definition is right.

**Marie Monday** · 01-02-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

pop punk is a purposefully sanitized totally commercial ploy that is not at all even really trying to be the same thing

this and the Avril Lavigne comment is just your definition: you add on some negative notions which aren't part of many definitions of pop. Also, the Ramones were sanitized and commercial

**Marie Monday** · 01-02-2021, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think terms like Hardcore Punk and Anarcho Punk exist with the idea that Ramones are ground zero Punk

to retroactively go back and call Ramones pop punk because they aren't Subhumans is super weird

Ramones are not in a genre they are the genre

um all genres are retroactive. A band can be both punk and pop punk; pop punk is a subgenre. *insert obligatory venn diagram*

**Marie Monday** · 01-02-2021, 05:28 PM

^well not all genres, but still

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I've known plenty of pop punk fans and they wouldn't even disagree

they wouldn't want to be confused with icky weirdo punks who probably don't bathe

that there might be some crossover in appeal with Ramones aka The Greatest Band of All Time isn't that consequential to me

I never thought you'd use the opinions of normies to back up your argument

But like I said, I think it depends on your definition, and your definition is too loaded imo
btw, I wouldn't even call Avril Lavigne punk based on what I've heard of her, just pop

**Marie Monday** · 01-02-2021, 05:34 PM

and who are (((those guys)))?

**Frownland** · 01-02-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

its whole purpose is to say "we are not those guys" in terms of its audience lol

Yeah that's not how genre works.

You share a label with the Bad People. Everyone does. Quit fronting with this jwb type beat.

Paul Smeenus · 01-02-2021, 05:48 PM

Definitely my favorite pop-punk album

Psy-Fi · 01-03-2021, 07:30 AM

Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady (1979)

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