Black Flag

bob. · 07-10-2013, 11:03 AM

^what he said

and personally i think everything after damaged is not cookie cutter hardcore....but something different and much better

Crowquill · 12-24-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Reyes

On November 24th 2013 the last night of the Australian Hits and Pits tour with two songs left in the set Mike V comes on stage stares me down, takes my mic and says "You're done, party's over get off it's over..." He said something else to me but it was a lie so I won't repeat it here. So with a sense of great relief that it was finally over I left the stage and walked to the hotel room. They finished the set with Mike V on vocals. There is much more that can and perhaps should be said. But for now I will spare you the gory details. The writing was on the wall since before we played our first show. So many things went wrong from the start. I was into things like having a good drummer, rehearsing and spending time on things like beginnings and endings of songs, being a little less distracted with tour life and a little more on the ball. You know things that would make our efforts worthy of the name Black Flag... Yes it is my opinion that we fell very short indeed and the diminishing ticket sales and crowds are a testament to that. However It was made clear to me that raising these issues was tantamount to a blasphemous stab in the back to Greg. How could I question him, his efforts and hard work? How could I dare be a fan of OFF! And or be friends and a fan of Flag? I was told that I had to choose sides. But I refuse to treat someone like an infallible Pope figure. No guitarist deserves such unquestioning blind devotion. And so I have been excommunicated in a very strange fashion. I truly feel sorry for anyone who had to witness the infantile behaviour and the relentless provocation I was subjected to both on and off the stage. I regret that under such fierce provocation and taunting I sometimes responded in manners bellow my standard. I am grateful for the opportunities Greg gave me. There were some magical moments at first. I was naive enough to believe in the promise of potential. But in the end the good was no match for the overwhelming bad. It am proud of my contributions including the new album and its cover. Come on folks it's only rock n roll. I would not be surprised if Mike V becomes the new singer for Black Flag. It is my opinion that they have been planning this for some time. I wish them well. Mike is a true disciple of Greg and so they have a good working relationship. And ironically the tension over the last weeks has brought out some of Greg's best playing. So it could be interesting. I will miss playing with Dave Klein. He is a great kid and truly an outstanding bass player. Dave was an anchor that kept me from losing my place on a nightly basis. Trust me that was no easy task for either of us. I truly apologize for being in or more accurately "appearing" to be in competition with "Flag". They know my heart on this matter. From the beginning I was happy for them and fully supported and understood why they would want to rock those songs and have a good time with friends and family. Yes I questioned their use of the name and logo but in no way questioned their motivation or right to do their thing. I envy them for they have succeeded in ways that were never possible with "Black Flag". And once again for the record, I agreed to do Black Flag before I knew there was a Flag. I mean no malice towards Greg or Mike although they will most likely see things very differently. I wish them luck and prosperity. I have learned many valuable lessons this year. And these lessons will enrich my personal and musical endeavours. Cheers. Ron Reyes.

So what does everyone think of the new album? And Mike Vallely replacing Ron Reyes?

bob. · 12-26-2013, 11:38 AM

i have to say i was a bit surprised at how good the new album actually is.....not a "My War" good but still pretty good

as for Mike Valley....why not....he was the original "reunion" singer....and he seems to be a fucking dick just like greg....they deserve each other

Crowquill · 12-26-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

i have to say i was a bit surprised at how good the new album actually is.....not a "My War" good but still pretty good

as for Mike Valley....why not....he was the original "reunion" singer....and he seems to be a fucking dick just like greg....they deserve each other

What about the new album did you like? I had a hard time with a lot of the tracks, it felt like if it had been cut down to an EP it would've been a solid return but the album just pushes it too far. There's twenty two songs and I feel the number of filler is in the mid-high teens.
Some of the songs like Down in the Dirt I don't mind, they feature some Ginn's best guitar work in a long time but he has this tendency to take a good riff, or one with potential, and spend the rest of the song playing it into the ground. I found the production is extremely muddy (I find myself losing the bass constantly, even if it starts out strong) and the drummer failed to fill the shoes of Robo, Chuck Biscuits or Stevenson. If another band had released this I'd just forget about it, but as a Black Flag release it's kind of an offense.

I'm pretty much of the same opinion on Vallely. I think he's a bad choice but it's fitting he's the singer for nu-flag.

bob. · 12-26-2013, 12:07 PM

in all honesty i only listened to it once....and was expecting it to be horrible....but found it to be "ok"

i'll give it another listen and report back

GuD · 12-27-2013, 12:25 AM

I've always been of the minority that preferred Black Flag's early stuff to any of the drawn out slower heavy jams they did.

Forward To Death · 12-28-2013, 04:40 PM

Damaged is the ****.

Zer0 · 12-29-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

I've always been of the minority that preferred Black Flag's early stuff to any of the drawn out slower heavy jams they did.

I prefer the pre-Rollins material and particularly the stuff with Keith Morris. Damaged and My War are great albums but I've never been the biggest fan of Henry Rollins as a vocalist.

Engine · 12-30-2013, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0

Damaged and My War are great albums but I've never been the biggest fan of Henry Rollins as a vocalist.

Those are the only two I like. I think Slip It In is borderline horrible and everything else is just okay. I might listen to the new one out of curiosity.

Crowquill · 12-30-2013, 09:23 AM

If I'm looking for like classic eighties hardcore than nothing beats First Four Years/Everything Went Black. I don't even like Damaged that much, Rise Above/Spray Paint are great but all the songs are done better on the EPs by the other vocalists. If I want to hear Rollins I'm going to go with My War. Slip It In and In My Head have their moments, like the title track or Retired at 21.

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07-10-2013, 11:03 AM	#311 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	^what he said and personally i think everything after damaged is not cookie cutter hardcore....but something different and much better __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

12-26-2013, 11:38 AM	#313 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	i have to say i was a bit surprised at how good the new album actually is.....not a "My War" good but still pretty good as for Mike Valley....why not....he was the original "reunion" singer....and he seems to be a fucking dick just like greg....they deserve each other __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

12-26-2013, 12:07 PM	#315 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	in all honesty i only listened to it once....and was expecting it to be horrible....but found it to be "ok" i'll give it another listen and report back __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

12-27-2013, 12:25 AM	#316 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	I've always been of the minority that preferred Black Flag's early stuff to any of the drawn out slower heavy jams they did. __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

12-28-2013, 04:40 PM	#317 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Damaged is the ****.

12-30-2013, 09:23 AM	#320 (permalink)
Crowquill blasphemous krucifixion Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: seattle Posts: 142	If I'm looking for like classic eighties hardcore than nothing beats First Four Years/Everything Went Black. I don't even like Damaged that much, Rise Above/Spray Paint are great but all the songs are done better on the EPs by the other vocalists. If I want to hear Rollins I'm going to go with My War. Slip It In and In My Head have their moments, like the title track or Retired at 21.