Exo

But noise equals noise rock.

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Frownland

*has aneurysm*

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Exo

You just need to learn more about music.

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rubber soul

You make it sound like noise rock is a liability or something. It is a well respected sub-genre and I'm not the first one to refer to the Fall as noise rock. They also happen to be freaking good.

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Frownland

I love and play noise rock. The Fall is not goddamn noise rock.

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Maajo

Some people lump the entire new wave genre in with post-punk, which may actually be accurate to some extent given new wave's emergence from the punk scene in the late 70s. I always thought of new wave as being more accessible, but the more I think about, the more I realize that they're essentially the same genre.

Dylstew

Post-punk is kind of an odd name. I mean, when Punk didn't really have a general sound yet we had bands like Talking Heads playing with punk bands who were considered punk too. Tetroactively we consider that post-punk. And even the ''true'' post-punk bands didn't come that much later. So that means post-punk wasn't all that post. Seems like you just had two types of punk in the beginnings, one that was doing something new, the other that was trying to bring back rock to its roots, both not caring about any traditional idea of what makes a good rock song (as one sounded different and the other was amateurish).

And then you have new-wave, which is basically just post-punk bands with a poppier sound and image, and I bet back then not much of a distinction was made. It seems pretty similar to how certain punk rock bands like the ramones were poppy, yet others like crass were noisy and aggressive. We retroactively call those (traditional) Pop punk. I guess it's just pop post-punk, really. So yes, you could basically call it the same genre. That said, I'm just theorizing and completely talking out of my anus here as usual.

rubber soul

For someone who was around during 'new wave'. It was basically a term used to make punk sound more commercial. Blondie especially had the new wave tag pinned on them. It would also be the label from more danceable bands like the B-52s. It eventually got so out of hand as by 1980 it had become so trendy that more traditional bands would cash in on the term. Alice Cooper even had one of his biggest hits that year with the 'New Wave' Clones. Shockingly enough, it's actually pretty good.

True punk bands though cringed at the suggestion they were New Wave. I could imagine John Lydon throwing up at the term even now.

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Dylstew

So it really is the pop version, but it was a big marketing term even back then?

rubber soul

It was the marketing tool. Radio stations used the term to separate bands like Blondie and Talking Heads to the likes of, say, Foreigner or the Bee Gees. It seemed like a softer way of saying punk rock to make it more palatable to the consumer. Some of it wasn't even New Wave. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers were considered New Wave for example. It worked for a few groups (Blondie wasn't that big commercially speaking until Parallel Lines), but for others, it was kind of a disaster. It's possible the Post Punk description that was big in the early eighties was a reaction to the New Wave hype. There was also something called Post Wave which would have included bands like New Order for example.

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