Frownland

I actually agree, I was just making a joke about Jimmy Page.

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Frownland

Flimsy by punk standards + pre-1976 = proto-punk

It's really only the guitar riff and drumming throughout, the rest is more standard classic rock.

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Chula Vista

Johnny Ramone says that CB, and the way that Page played it, was a major influence on the basic foundations of the Ramone's sound, i.e., PUNK.

MB members chime in on how JR's comments, back when The Ramones started to explode on the scene and influence EVERYONE, mean nothing.

OK, got it. This place blows my mind sometimes.

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Neapolitan

Communication Breakdown is NOT proto-Punk. I am not one to define past genres with future ones. That basically boils down to a Historian's Fallacy, so that's not the best approach. Punk has it time and place, the thoughts and ideas of "Punk" bands are different from those bands in the 60s. The music is similar in some respects but when it comes to Communication Breakdown it's more likely that Jimmy Page wanted to have a modern Rockabilly sound (modern for it's time) and blending in the Psychedelic and Acid Rock elements he would been expose to at that time. (I reiterate "Punk" or "proto-Punk" was no where in the picture.)

When Communication Breakdown is brought up I immediately think of Nervous Breakdown by Eddie Cochran. Communication Breakdown not only has a similar title and theme to Eddie Cochran's Nervous Breakdown, the phrasing is similar too. So if you want to make a connection from Communication Breakdown to Punk why just stop at Communication Breakdown as the song that spurn Punk? Communication Breakdown has its place, no doubt, but it's not the big band of Punk music. It's import though just for the fact the Johnny Ramone cited it as an influence, or sound or style he aspired to achieve. But you can go back even further to point to where Led Zeppelin had their own muse when they come up with Communication Breakdown. i.e. Eddie Cochran. And that is not moving back the goal post either. It just acknowledges one band is influence by another that was influence by another etc. etc. When you drop the "single man theory" insisting that single person or band is the progenitor of Punk e.g. Jimmy Page is because of Communication Breakdown, and understand all the other contributing factor, I think you can appreciate things for what they are more. There isn't that need to connect the dots. It's just the evolution Rock n Roll & music in general. And at any point in Rock's history you can draw enjoyment from it. Why connect the dots when you can draw?

I think the defining element in Johnny Ramone's style was he decide to approach the guitar like a bass, use Root/5th/8th chords and play all down strokes.

Eddie Cochran - Nervous Breakdown


Led Zeppelin - Communication Breakdown

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The Batlord

"Sister Ray" was post-punk before punk, and has more punk energy and attitude than the vast majority of actual punk.

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The Batlord

Still the best Zep song and I'd put it on a proto-punk mix in a heartbeat.

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Frownland

So you think that being an influence on punk means that it is punk? This may blow your mind but I really disagree with that. Can you back up how CB is punk in your own words?

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Chula Vista

Go grab an electric guitar. Then turn up your amp as loud as it can go with tons of gain and distortion. Then close your eyes and imagine it's January 1969. Forty eight ****ing years ago.

Now play Communication Breakdown using nothing but solid down-strokes so that the root note is prominent.

Half a decade later everyone takes Page's approach and creates punk. Including the seminal Ramones.

Do the ****ing math.

Also, stop being the 2016 dick-weed Frowny. You're arguing with me just to argue. You don't have a point. You're just poking your tiny stick. Again.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

Yeesh forgive me for trying to have an actual discussion and see your side of things, Mr. Sensitive (I'm not even sure how you think my last post was douchey). This persecution complex bull**** is getting on my nerves.

I still don't think that influencing punk is the same as being punk. That's called proto-punk. See my Louis Armstrong example. It'll take more than "1969!" to sway me.

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Tristan_Geoff

Opinion: Who put out the first punk track, the Monks or the Seeds?

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