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Old 08-03-2020, 01:49 AM   #861 (permalink)
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I've heard Television be referred to as both proto-punk and post-punk

how does that work?
Chronologically they're proto-punk but they sound quite post-punk to me
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Ah, genre definition debates, the crème de la crème of MusicBanter discussions. Can we do grunge next? Or is that not punk enough?
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:29 PM   #863 (permalink)
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Who gives a **** about grunge genre debates? I mean who the **** really needs to know if Screaming Trees are actually the same genre as Gruntruck?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:31 PM   #864 (permalink)
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Oh and btw I wouldn't really be willing to call The Cars a favorite band but they've got god tier pop hooks.
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:55 PM   #865 (permalink)
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punk pumped up the idea in the popular sphere that there could be such a thing as the non-mainstream

that you could be in pop music and be broke and/or a ****ing weirdo

leading to an explosion of all these exciting individuals who wouldn't have ever thought of themselves as musically inclined
Lol. The classic prog-rock bands had already proven that experimental, even alien sounding music could sell and build audiences independent of whatever pop flavor of the month was charting. Punk was a reaction to that and disco.
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I thought prog proved that audiences didn't actually want the natural progression of Cream and Jimmie Hendrix because prog didn't actually sell well.
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I thought prog proved that audiences didn't actually want the natural progression of Cream and Jimmie Hendrix because prog didn't actually sell well.
Yes's Close To Edge had over 450,000 pre-orders before it was released in 1972. Took it until 1998 to break 1 million sales though. And I think Emerson, Lake & Palmer sold way more than that.
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So one album didn't go platinum, and another sold something or other, and how much did other prog albums sell? Cause unless prog had a bunch of high selling albums then prog failed commercially.
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So one album didn't go platinum, and another sold something or other, and how much did other prog albums sell? Cause unless prog had a bunch of high selling albums then prog failed commercially.
Well, Rush's 2112 also broke 500k plus sales well into 1977, which was supposedly when punk was on the rise. So I think progressive rock must have been perceived as doing pretty good between all the big names over that ten year period, otherwise there wouldn't have been such a backlash.
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Sex Pistols stole their instruments from these rich prog bands, learned some Chuck B chords, dropped some dirty language on the tele, and were able to sell a platinum record

the message was clear: "Why aren't you in a band?"
Sex Pistols had mad skill as musicians though
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